Antifastan

And some people are simply ignorant.

 

And steadfastly remain so even in the face of intelligent and telling options.

 

Well if someone is too stupid to know they are stupid....

 

well, I agree with peaceful protesting. I agree too that the cops involved murder the guy. Weird thing i# that the CHOP/CHAZ thing has had serious crimes committed by people who have decided to act as police without proper communication. 5 people shot in it, in Seattle, by the chop chaz police. Their communication is, “there is a car driving they are going to shoot, but the chop chaz police are the 9nes shooting, people yelling, drive by shooter... drive by shooter, they go in and shoot at thecar, killing a 16 year old and leaving a 14 year old in critical condition. Women have been raped in it too, anD no protection. People assaulted and beaten bad over a phone. The AR15s were given out by the mayor of chop chaz. Video available of that too. Really sick too is you hear a guy say, oh you are still alive, then one more shot. Then silence, and then at the scene people saying it is a biohazard... the blood is a biohazard.

this is just anarchy. It isn’t really making a point other than incompetence on the side of organizers, with no concern for human life,

 

that video is not From a news Source on the right, it was a live feed from a guy on the ground as the shooting started, there is also CTV footage. With the group not against them, No news station reports. Just a guy who was there. And you think this is ok? With a 16 year old being killed? Another 18 year old killed, a 14 year old in critical condition? Women Raped? This is ok? Or you just think it is fake? The parents of these children are not fake people who have come forward with pictures of their kids killed from this in chaz?

 

So what is it we're supposed to take away from your posts? Who did the killing and raping? Who was the "guy who was there" providing this video? Who thinks it's okay? Does there seem to be anyone on HF defending this? Is there an anarchist in the house? My understanding is that CHOP/CHAZis being disbanded. Good riddance!
chaz seattle - Yahoo Video Search Results
chaz seattle - Yahoo Video Search Results

 

well blm leader patrisse, who is a professional Marxist and admits to it, believes in violence. She Said, she didn’t care if businesses burn, people get hurt. And they want to self police, well we saw how that went. As for it being over with, Think again... last night it continued.

What are people to take away from your post? That everything is back to normal, that it has stopped? Well it hasn’t.

the Mayor of Seattle, a Democrat is incompetent. Told all police to stand down. Cave to demands, show support. It was an experiment in how things would be should blm get what they want, Failed to protect the people who actually livE there, Response times for crime tripled and calls more than tripled, and crime more than tripled in those three weeks. But who cares right? Bring your rage and fire they said. Complete disregard for people. One within the city council actually lead the rioters to her home,

So what is this, what has this accomplished? civil unrest, which is the goal!

so BLM has how many names to say? Say his name? How about we say the names of every cop, of many colours who sacrificed his or her life to protect citizens, regardless of colour. How about we say the names of every person who died during these riots, regardless of their colour. 38 cops killed, in the line of duty last year.

18 police officers have been killed in the last month in the USA, but who cares? It is justified. Bring your rage and fire, we will give you guns to protect yourself, while saying we are against guns.

as of June 8, 17 people were murdered in the riots, and not by cops. By June 7th, that number has risen Since. In one week alone in seattle, many shot from within and 3 murdered in a week. In just 6 blocks. That does not include other violent acts that left people seriously injured. But no, this is not the issue as blm leaders stated. But let’s ignore white people who have died as well ok, and some while in custody? How about we say their names too? Not their problem, because the person isn’t black. It is creating a divide. You don’t matter, only we matter is the message being heard. This is not good! Collective thought.

so I am sorry, as a good canadian says. from the beginning I said I would not support this Group because I knew they were Marxist and for violence and intimidation, even death, to get what they wanted. Division they wanted, mobilize people for what we want. Communist driven, carry on comrade as they say. I knew it was and is extremist driven on the left. Communist party driven. Blm leaders calling each other comrade , is not simply a term used lightly. Racism exists, another term that should not be used lightly. It is a power play that is just leading to blood shed. It was suppose to be like this, but when all is said and done people will say, it was not suppose to be like this. As usual. The utopian dream.

furthermore, aboriginal peoples death rate is the highest. So blm wants to have a conversation, you want to know how that conversation went? It is not about you, It is not about your problems, it is about black people. Don’t muddy our waters but making your people’s problems a priority, We don’t give a fuck About aboriginal people. We come first. I was like... what the fuck? Then to find out that the leaders here have stolen money from the student unions that was for all people, because they are entitled. That they have and there are recordings of 5hem hiding behind white people during a speech of a refugee yelling the n word at the speaker. It is divisive and looking for a rac3 war. Very disappointing.

so I care about people Regardless of colour... don’t Care about blm, the Marxist group.

 

So BLM is responsible? I thought it was supposed to be Antifa. That's what the thread title implies. Was it set up at the direction of BLM central command? Seattle has had a nest of anarchists for decades, and some of them may have used the occasion of George Floyd's death to go off the deep end. You have yet to show that BLM is Marxist, why that is relevant, or its connection to the violence in question. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was, but YOU have to show that. BLM is a loosely organized network consisting of some 30 chapters in the U.S. and affiliates abroad.

So that's it? They're mainly concerned about Blacks instead of Native Americans? Well George Floyd wasn't Native American. Neither were Trevor Martin, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor, and the rest of the unarmed African-Americans killed by police.
Here's A Timeline Of Unarmed Black People Killed By Police Over Past Year
A timeline of 1,944 Black Americans killed by police
"Say their names": The list of people injured or killed in officer-involved incidents is still growing - CBS News
BLM formed by African-Americans to address that problem, and was in the right place at the right time to provide leadership for the tide of resentment sparked by the George Floyd killing. Lamenting the plight of the indigenous people of Canada isn't going to get them anywhere unless you or they take some action about it. We celebrated a revolution in my country yesterday. If we'd taken your approach, we might still be a British possession.

 

Oh yes, that Trudge reminds me of a guy who used to work at the TTT truck stop on Craycroft Road in Tucson.

 

seems to me that in one aspect Canada never had black slaves yet remained a British colony in 1867. When prior we never had black slaves. War of 1812 Americans tried to take over Canada and there was resistance, we won and burned your White House in the process. So your problem exactly? Why didn’t Canada have black slaves? Why did the underground railway end in this country? Why were black people allowed to own land, get an education and did in Canada, Way back before the revolution...because black lives didn’t matter?

Now native people is another story. So if you expect me to stand with a group that is self serving and a collective group that only defends their own, why would I stand with that. Why would I stand with a group who will throw individuals under the bus because theY are not considered black? A group unwilling to have their waters muddied, but is in favour of muddying my waters? I will stand with any injustice regardless of ethnicity, but wont stand with a group who wants racial divides, individuals are allowed to think of themselves, yet BLM does not want that, Who will yell at me for stating things, While they expect my people to stand with them while unwilling to stand with my people, simply to use our plight, use my people to elevate themselves and disregard my people. Diluting major issues while elevating theirs as a priority. Is it a priority? Who matters? Who doesn’t matter? Police brutality is not reserved for black people only. Keep BLMs issues out of my waters. If we are one, we are one. Clearly blm doesn’t think so. Clearly blm doesn’t see it that way. As they steal funding for Education of all people regardless of ethnicity and bring on a race war. Because they are entitled?

 

Again, we have the problem of relevance. You spurt out a bunch of thoughts which, while interesting, have nothing to do with the subject. I made a comment that the United States was established by revolutionary action in 1776. What does it have to do with slaves, the War of 1812, burning the White House, etc. What exactly are you trying to say? Bring it into focus, and we may get somewhere.

No, but it seems to affect them disproportionately.

On that note, why don't you keep your Canadian nose out of our business, and deal with BLM in your own country? You're the one who seems to be obsessed with this issue. African-Americans make up less than 3% of Canada's population. Afraid they'll get restless?

 

So why the fuck is blm in my country? Spewing lies and spreading a false history narrative with complete disregard of facts and people outraged here by something that happened there and had nothing to do with here? How about shit going on in Africa or other places. In China, in russia, in the Middle East. Etc... why is America’s issues being spread world wide as the biggest problem in the world? It isn’t in Canada, but it is to be the priority for canadians, for native people? Put on the back burner? Native people put on the back burner because this, what happened in the USA is a global problem everywhere? I don’t agree.

 

This might clear it up, if anyone is in any way curious about what BLM wants in Canada.

Demands – BLM – Canada

 

what police violence? Lol. Their claims/demands are dubious at best.

Andrew Loki who was weidling a hammer, hurt people and waS shot, refusing to drop it, attacking people. Or the guy on a bus who had a knife, had a hostage...

7 people shot by cops in my city in one year. Is this bad policing?

 

So you feel like they are running to the defense of people who are in actuality guilty of horrendous crimes.

 

well outcomes can always be different, like someone lives, but yes, defending people who were hurting people, refusing to drop a weapon. There is a choice of kill or be killed, save someone from being killed. Of course there are crooked cops, but I do believe 99 percent are good. I have even had cops here drive me home because my ride was drunk and I didn’t want to get in the car with them. Leaving me there would have not been good as it was rather isolated. I guess 8 see it as a painting of all cops are bad is ridiculous. When you call them they come to help, and those situations are dangerous sometimes. Recently a knife weilding, suicidal girl was threatening to harm her family. They called the police, she killed herself and jumped off the balcony. Blm says the cops should not have been called and it is the cops fault. Find a better gripe. Shit happened. The girl had issues, she made a decision. Sometimes people can’t be talked down off a ledge. Whose fault is it? Blm says those cops need to be fired....saying it is racism.

so I am suppose to care about this group as they muddy my waters and disregard the biggest problem, which is with the death rate of native people here.

 

For someone who does not want BLM in her waters, you sure like to bad mouth them a lot?

 

Problem is, the Native people haven't gotten themselves organized and taken a militant stance like BLM has for blacks. Here's your opportunity. Instead of bitching about BLM, on the unlikely ground that if it went away more attention would be paid to the Natives, get organized. Get a slogan. Red lives matter! You'd also have to get an incident. Have any Native Canadians been strangled by police lately? Native Americans in Canada need to put themselves on the front burner, not wait for someone else to do it.


The Idle No More movement , the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls are a good start. Keep it up!

 

No shit, what do you think I have been saying? It isn’t that we are not organized. We are organized. The problem is that the blm thing is a priority internati9nally. Black lives is the priority when it isn’t even a blip on the radar in Canada. The waters are muddied from blm here, and I am told by blm to get off their land in a public space in Toronto. How fucked up is that and that my people should be quiet and not take attention away?

no one cares, no one is listening to the screaming. Simply drowned out,

that is USA African American people vs Canada Native people. We could compare black Canadians vs native people. Homicide rate here for natives is 8 x higher. Now compare native people in the USA vs African Americans.

 

If you think about it clearly, you can use the concern and momentum generated by BLM to attract attention to the plight of other oppressed groups. In the United States, the Black Power movement paved the way for the American Indian Movement, the Women's Movement, and eventually the gay rights movement.