The Donald Trump Score Card

"I only hire the best people" ~Donald J. Trump

 

Bengazi

What a thin skinned insecure twit

Hadn't heard that one, but it's got to be true. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

where's vg with his whataboutism argument?

 

Trump never takes responsibility he is an extreme narcissist...I've said that MULTIPLE times

 

Wrat

No right wing ideas fall flat because they are not that good at standing up to questioning and criticism, they don’t get that with fellow right wingers only when they come to other places.

I’ve seen it a thousand times here - cocksure right wingers coming to the forum thinking they have killer arguments only to find out rather quickly that they completely fall apart, often under the slightest of scrutiny – many just leave never to return some get angry even abusive and other try to bluster it out by becoming dishonest debaters, they become evasive and make up excuses why they can’t or won’t answer questions or address criticism or they lie that they have but can’t say where or what the supposed counter arguments are.

The question I always ask is why do they continue to hold onto views they cannot defend in any rational way?

 

Wrat

LOL the problem is that such buzz words are just empty and simplistic slogans without been fleshed out and put in context.

It is easy to say you are in favour of ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’ who wants to be on record as saying they are in favour of slavery?

But often when looked into what right wingers actually mean by freedom and liberty can be revealing.

 

Wrat

Liberty and Freedom

Thing is for example you are down on record as saying you are not morally opposed to slavery saying you could be accepting of it if it was advantageous to you.

You are also down on record of been in favour of voter suppression and when asked if you opposed gerrymandering your reply seemed to be that ‘both sides do it’ and that if it wasn’t illegal it was OK.

What I often find when in conversation with right wingers is that when you get down to it their attitudes toward ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ are so often tied with self (or tribal) interests. If a freedom suites them they are in favour if it but if it doesn’t well they can be flexible to its curtailment and if their liberty is ok but others not so much well they might not really care.

Personal responsibility

The problem with ‘personal responsibility’ is that it is often just code for deeply, deeply flawed Social Darwinist views.

It’s a way of arguing for inequality – it claims that an individual’s position in society is due wholly or in large part to the individual (laziness, bad choices, etc) and has little or nothing to do with systematic or social inequalities.

So the argument goes that little or nothing can or should be done to help the disadvantaged. So there is no need or use in paying taxes for programmes or public assistance to help such lazy and irresponsible people and that in fact it makes things worse because as these people are lazy and made bad choice then it would only create ‘dependence’.

Better to advantage the already advantaged with tax cuts as they have shown they are hardworking and responsible people.

A better society

Are right wing ideas likely to bring about a better society – I think no and when examined they would be unlikely to do so even the theoretical argument of Social Darwinist based ideas that harshness today will bring about a utopia for all tomorrow seem laughable. Right wing ideas seem about causing division and serving the interests of a few to the detriment of the many.

 

and its easy to twist words and spin shit until it fits the narrative you desire YOU do that all the time

 

Wrat

I’ve seen it a thousand times here - cocksure right wingers coming to the forum thinking they have killer arguments only to find out rather quickly that they completely fall apart, often under the slightest of scrutiny – many just leave never to return some get angry even abusive and other try to bluster it out by becoming dishonest debaters, they become evasive and make up excuses why they can’t or won’t answer questions or address criticism or they lie that they have but can’t say where or what the supposed counter arguments are.

The question I always ask is why do they continue to hold onto views they cannot defend in any rational way?

 

I've always loved the horseshit put forth by rich right-wingers that "If you want to become wealthy, you have to work hard." Proof of that lie is the millions of hard-working Americans that have gone to work everyday, worked very hard at whatever their jobs, positions, or professions are, are dependable & trustworthy, obey the laws, & pay their taxes. If hard work, dedication, HONESTY & INTEGRITY, and following rules & laws made one wealthy, the bulk of the wealth in the U.S. would be in the hands of the "middle class." (Classes ……………… we humans just can't avoid categorizing people can we???) We have the "upper class" - who actually believe they are better than all the rest of us - and get caught making comments to that effect when they think they're not on tape or within hearing distance of an honest person. Show up at one of their exclusive country clubs and see how quickly you'll be thrown out bodily - and possibly arrested. How dare you encroach on their special, "entitled" grounds!!!

Many of today's rich got that way by inheriting wealth from past generations, or had a company started & running well by daddy or mommy, or had an "insider connection" into a lucrative position. Sure - there are the Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, & Jeff Bezos examples in the world, who came up with brand new ideas and started from scratch, but they are the exceptions - not the rule. Today's CEO's mainly come in and take over where someone else has been sitting, and delegate responsibilities to others, with the threat that if they don't "perform" whatever is demanded of them - they'll be fired / "let go" / demoted, etc.

Look at Carl Icahn, a multi-billionaire, for example. He rules by fear and intimidation. He tears up contracts with workers, takes away their health care, slashes pay, fires people, buys businesses only to liquidate them / close them for profit. He has no ideas that benefit society or anyone - other than himself. He makes himself rich-er by destroying other people's lives & businesses.

Or look at the Bush family. They got their money from an older generation patriarch who built an oil business. George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush didn't do anything significant or remarkable to become wealthy. They were born into a rich family. In fact both Bush 41 and Bush 43 were known to have lost large amounts of money on their own, - bad decisions, bad investments. That's why it's been said many times of George W. Bush - "He was born on third base and he thinks he hit a triple!"

And thanks to Rump's and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S "tax overhaul" - those filthy rich can now avoid paying taxes on even more of that wealth. So who picks up the tab for the hundreds of millions of dollars of tax revenue that the filthy rich won't be paying??? ………………………….. LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

 

erofant

Here is something for you that I wrote after the crash in 2008

Let us look at the case of James (Jimmy) Cayne, who seemed to prefer playing bridge and golf to running Bears Stearns although he got a salary of $200,000 dollars to supposedly do it along with huge bonuses.

Well on paper at one point he was worth in the region of 900 million.

But then Bears needed Fed help and JPMorgan Chase was paid to snap it up and Cayne cashed in his Bears stock at a rather low price and supposedly only made 60 million or so. But as the New York Times noted even with the ‘loss’ he wasn’t liable to go hungry, in fact “he has certainly accumulated enough to live out his retirement years in comfort”. There is the other investments such as the Plaza hotel apartments he brought for $28 million.

So lets see - According to US social security the average wage for Americans in 2006 was around 38,651, and remember there are a hell of a lot of people on lower, but lets round it up to 40,000 for convenience.

So if someone didn’t spend any of their wages and lived off air then it would take them a hundred years, 100 years, to make just 4,million, so it would take them just seven hundred years 700, to raise the 28 million Jimmy paid for his flats and only 1500 years to raise the 60 million he got for his shares.

So an average American would have had to have begun working in the reign of the dark age Frankish king Clovis, well over 1000 years before America was even discovered to reach the amount that Jimmy made in one day.

 

OH! Maybe … just maybe … there is hope for you yet. I think his problem is very simple: He listens to Buck Sexton.

 

The usual from Trump.



Trump's New Foreign Broadcasting CEO Fires News Chiefs, Raising Fears Of Meddling
Heard on Morning Edition
David Folkenflik
June 18, 20205:52 AM ET

http://www.ebay.com/myb/WatchList?M...EWAX:SORTTIMELOW&_trksid=p2055120.m1438.l4681

excerpt:

"President Trump's pick to lead the U.S. Agency for Global Media, Michael Pack, showed up to work Wednesday for the first time after being approved by the U.S. Senate two weeks earlier.

His words to staff were affirming. His actions were anything but.

Pack swiftly sidelined most of the agency's senior leadership by stripping them of their authority. He also fired the chiefs of the government-sponsored broadcast networks for foreign audiences which his agency oversees, including Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty; Radio Free Asia; Office of Cuban Broadcasting, which oversees Radio and Television Martí; and Middle East Broadcasting Networks, which runs Alhurra and Radio Sawa.

The two-top officials at Voice of America resigned days earlier in anticipation of Pack's arrival.

Pack dissolved advisory boards over each of the networks and placed his own aides above them. He gave no reason for his actions other than his authority to do so, according to two people with direct knowledge of the day's events."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/bolton-say...-trumps-potential-obstruction-justice-1511593

"Trump "then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China's economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he'd win," Bolton writes. "He stressed the importance of farmers, and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. I would print Trump's exact words but the government's prepublication review process has decided otherwise."

Another instance, involving Turkey, was also in the Post's report. Bolton alleged that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan personally asked Trump to interfere in an investigation being carried out by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York into a Turkish company accused of violating sanctions against Iran.

"Trump then told Erdogan he would take care of things, explaining that the Southern District prosecutors were not his people, but were Obama people, a problem that would be fixed when they were replaced by his people," Bolton writes."

 

Rump is what many of us have known him to be for a long time ……………………. a corrupt, narcissistic, self-centered P.O.S. The more that comes out - the better the U.S.'s chances of creating legislation that prevents anything like this administration's lies, corruption, and contempt for law from happening EVER AGAIN.

 

Not a good week for drumpf.
Supreme Court rejects Trump administration's bid to end DACA

 

None of these bastards have ever worked a real job in their life.

 

OH you mean like you have done to me with personal attacks and crossposting? Im pretty sure Ive been cordial 99% of the time..certainly never dishonest yet sometimes I just dont care to back up an opinion or statement its called being human

 

Trump told China to put Muslims in concentration camps and he would look the other way if they help get him re-elected. Buck Sexton knows this and still glorifies Trump regardless of morality.

 

Scratcho … I had no idea you were so sexually innovative?