2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

Yeah.... back to the "kill all boomers, steal their pension funds" again are we?

It doesn't matter to you that these were people... Does it? That thought never crosses your mind...

 

VG believes anyone over 70 is expendable and doesn’t count.

Oddly enough during the 1918 influenza pandemic the death toll was highest among the 18-35 year old group.

Their healthy and strong immune systems worked against them

 

It seems odd, because it was never really true

Anyone born in Europe after 1889 that stayed there or emigrated didn't develop partial immunity from the outbreak that occured that year

1st wave of the Spanish flu was mainly about hygiene, figures for the young are skewed because there weren't many 70 yr olds fighting in the trenches

3rd wave, an unknown number of deaths where from Aspirin overdoses

It was H1N1/H1N2 the claim that it just somehow disappeared in 1920 is totally false, it just didn't kill enough to get classified as an epidemic. It's been killing at least 0.1% of the population every year since then

 

Well, it has slowed down, 250,000 to 500,000 is the range for seasonal flu deaths per year worldwide. We are now 7 months, 377,000 deaths in, so maybe just scrape past the high range for seasonal flu deaths per year

Looks like it's not going to overtake the number of preventable malaria deaths per year

You didn't give a shit about all the seasonal flu deaths before 2020, you still don't give a shit about the number of malaria deaths worldwide

So how is that any more or less immoral than me not caring how many 70 year Olds die anywhere?

 

Wrong as usual but since it fits your narrative and pigheaded narrow view - you just run with it.


The high mortality rate among younger people was more likely the result of early life exposure to the Russian Flu Pandemic of 1890.
The immunological memory to an influenza virus strain in early life no doubt led to a dysregulated immune response to novel strains

 

Yeah, the opposite of that. 1889, 1918 they had no idea what a cytokine storm was of course, so now way catalogue severity

Since you gave me that, you know enough to know the experts don't agree with what happened in n 1918

0 viral load makes a lot more sense and is far more likely. Most those soldiers in Kansas would have been American born

But that sounded good to you because it fits in with the current narrative that people can't get lifelong partial immunity from Sars-CoV-2 and full immunity for a year or two, which will be true

Sar-CoV-2 it's the furin cleaving sequence that's doing all the killing for those under 70. Obesity/diabetes are half the underlying conditions, those susceptible to blood clots in some way, the other half, over half developing renal failure

All of which still wasn't getting into the foreground of the mainstream media because it will make it just that much harder to convince young fit people to obey the lockdown. Now of course all attention is on the Floyd riots

"Immunological memory" just refers to the number of antibodies and dormant cells left how many years later, it's not really a thing

 

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You're right experts are not in total agreement which is why I don't talk in absolutes,
and challenge anyone who would.

 

That's right, Bruce. It's very simple math and makes perfect sense. Sweden, no lockdown, no restrictions whatsoever = high killrate. Finland, strict lockdown + recommendations to practice good hygiene and wear gloves and masks if available = slow spread, low killrate. Sweden's elderly were hit hard precisely, because there were no limitations in place whatsoever, and so people just carried the bug right into the elderly care homes, explaining the high mortality rate among the already frail old folks. In Finland, elderly care homes were placed under strict quarantine as soon as the situation realized itself, with the result that Finland's corona killrate is 13x lower by comparison. The numbers don't lie, mate. Read 'em. Fair dinkum.

As for the rest, you do realize that the Netherlands is a very small country with a population of 17,4 million people, a pretty high population density for such a small landmass. Complete social isolation is nigh impossible in a city like Amsterdam, + I have it on good authority that the Dutch people have deliberately been defying and ignoring their social distancing rules and other Dutch government recommendations for Covid-19 mitigation. So they sort of only have themselves to blame for their current numbers.

As for Japan, mate, you do realize that the Japanese already have past experience from previous pandemics, so they already have a real ripper of a culture of frequently wearing face masks and other hygiene gear there, precisely to keep the spread of any diseases low, because they already understand how easily things could go snafu there with their population density, and they wish to be polite to their fellow citizens, something that we should deffo learn from them. The Japanese were well prepared ahead of time, so Covid-19 was always gonna have a hard time there because the Japanese actually give a shit.

I don't know much about South Africa's situation, but they did have a lockdown there, and of course it made a difference. Any country with a lockdown in place has had it better, FACT. South Africa is currently easing their restrictions, so things could go either way now.

Thailand, again another country doing restrictions. They closed their borders completely and schools and businesses were ordered to close. So what exactly do you not understand here? Lockdown = less deaths, a bloody ripper. No lockdown = people dying left and right, very very bad, complete balls up. I think the math is pretty simple here.

BTW, I don't appreciate how you think the dead elderly are just collateral damage. Don't be a drongo, mate. You seem lower then a snakes belly.

 

This has got to be the most Australian thing ever posted on HF.

 

Pull your head in...

 

See, to explain the Netherlands, social distancing goes out the window and you go with high population density; Japan: previous experience and high population density. Sth Africa, we can't take that lockdown seriously

And Thailand had their first case January 14, and didn't lock down until 26th March

Sweden, 4400 deaths that's 0.04% of their population, that's hardly a high kill rate as far as pandemics go, Finland 320 deaths, 0.006%, Netherlands 5967 deaths, 0.034%. Those aren't huge discrepancies, they can be easily explained on population density alone

Sweden vs Netherlands, best anyone can say is something made a 0.006% difference, whoop-ti-doo

Personally, I believe that anyone that supported the lockdown, put a bunch of 70 yr olds ahead of the world's children and those children's futures is scum

Everyone panicked and just thought about themselves

 

Tyr, I hope you KNOW I don't disregard the fact they were people. But I also know people die, one way or another.
I don't think anyone over 70 is expendable or doesn't count.. But I do think, when a virus comes along that is much more dangerous to old and sick, we don't cause harm to everyone in order to protect them. We do what we can. NOT at the expense of fucking with millions of younger lives. We choose not to live in balance with nature.. This is how nature does it itself.
I would be saying this if I were 70.

You can disagree that it's the right way to see it, but I'm tired of people making out that this view only comes from disregarding older people as people, or thinking they don't matter. Of course they matter. My parents helped shape the person I am and the views I have and I know they would both accept a society that prioritized the future for children over them.

I don't want to see my dad die alone, struggling to breathe.. I am very aware that every person who died was a person like him, who someone who loved them had to watch die alone and struggling to breathe.

But I also read about a seventeen year old who killed himself because of pressure regarding exams and lockdown. Teenager brains are not fully formed. Maybe in another five year time, his brain chemistry would have leveled out and he'd know that it was a crazy reason to die over, but right now the stress was clearly too much. Teenage brains do not let go of stress as easily as adults. Socializing is a fundamental part of their development.

So it is literally a choice of who we want to protect the most. From now, until I am 80, I would always advocate the course of action that protects the next generations. We need them to be the best that they can be, for the sake of ongoing life on this planet.

 

Which means your income and other taxes will be increased to pay for it all !!! - shame

 

But VG does...

 

I don't think he does. I think he likes to put things in a way that ruffles feathers.

 

i'm not sure that's true..

i'm not actually sure that's true either.
he just doesn't care if he ruffles feathers, due to being blunt and matter-of-fact.

 

Wanting to round up all the boomers to put them in isolation camps is not a show of empathy....

 

Well Said "Ty".....

Iv'e Just Returned From Seventeen Days Away From "Hip Forums" And Looks Like Some Things

Never Change....................VG....Your'e An "A Grade Wanker" Mate.....



Cheers Glen.

 

I was wondering where you disappeared to...lol...