2020 Election

But he's not like everyone else. He's the Prez, and the law clearly says 26 USC 6103(f)(1) Treasury officials “shall” turn over the tax returns “upon written request” of the chair of either congressional tax committee or the federal employee who runs Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation. The Chair of the House Ways Committee asked for them, and was illegally turned down.

 

Kind of circular, isn't it, if he illegally refuses to submit them to Ways and Means. But if there's no there there, he certainly acts guilty in refusing to keep an election pledge.

 

just excercising his 4th amendment rights

 

In every other instance people who had nothing to hide showed us their tax returns. What it proves is that Trump is an outlier. Further, that when people are in a position of authority they must enact responsible attributes, if that makes any sense (I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say). What I want to say is, his behavior doesn't match that of an innocent person, nor does it match that of someone who knows he's in a position of great dignity, importance, and prestige. He does the honor of presidency a disservice by not sharing his taxes, and you act like someone who doesn't think that's very serious. It's clearly not something you are taking seriously right now. But this isn't on you. It's on him. He needs to come forward with something to gain the trust he has broken.

People keep acting like "no he doesn't". That Trump doesn't have to do anything. That's the republican message right now? That we can't prove anything? Well, if you think I'm a fool, let me show you how I'll vote.

 

Just exercising his ability to break the law...

 

Is joe exotic running again this year???

 

you're gonna vote Trump right ?

 

Fraid the Fourth Amendment doesn't give people the right to withhold evidence required by law. It only protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures. We know where the tax records are and they can reasonably be seized if there is probable cause to believe they contain material which Congress is entitled to see by virtue of authority granted by law. Now maybe Trump's legal eagles will argue the Prez is immune from legal process. Clinton wasn't. Nixon wasn't. Just try it.

 

I think you know I'm not. & you're happy about this?

It would seem you will vote for him no matter how bad a candidate the man really is. Someone pointed to a cross-section of studies on why people are adamantly supporting someone who is so clearly and blatantly dismissive of American values; presidential traditions among them. I don't know that it's complicated at all. I think that your reasoning is something simple, like a codependent relationship of sorts. I think it's simply you like to see a part of your ethos in the president. But the part of your ethos isn't congruent with the needs of average Americans, and people can see that there's something wrong with the little parts he's "representing" for lack of a better term. It's sad, but I think it's at least partly true.

I'm not here to criticize you @onceburned. But let me assure you, voting your heart is one thing, but if it's telling you to vote for him, I really think you should reconsider your feelings. Or ask yourself if you are being honest.

 

I assume you voted for the Manchurian...….I'm voting for Trump cause he's the best man for the job (spoken by a previous dem)

 

I'm pretty sure that, regardless of any law, nobody can be compelled to provide witness against their own self. The Constitution is supreme over any law passed by Congress. Trump's right to be secure in his effects and papers, etc, still stands superior to any law passed. Same as yours or anyone else.

 

the 5th amendment

 

Darn right he's hiding something: his tax returns. Because as onceburned pointed out so succinctly, they're none of yer business or anyone else's.

 

don't tell me you gonna vote for this ???

 

the 5th amendment

The Fifth Amendment does not protect against production of pre-existing records, nor does it prevent a third party (in this case the IRS) from being compelled to turn over records. This is done all the time by regulatory agencies.
The required-records doctrine and the Fifth Amendment
Fisher v. United States, 425 U.S. 391 (1976)
Chairman Neal wasn't asking Trump to turn over his tax records. He was asking the IRS to do so.
You guys illustrate the folly of amateur's trying to play constitutional lawyers. Did either of you graduate from college? High school?

 

lol

 

maybe you don't understand how the Donald works . the dims want to see so Donald pushes back . then the dims try to drag it into court , and find out there is nothing there , and make an ass out of themselves doing it

 

Trump rides those dimrats like a championship bull rider

 

I think that remains to be seen. They will need to look at his taxes at some point; though it may be behind closed doors. I would assume so, because after all they are his and we don't need to see them to know whether or not he's cheating on them.

 

lol