2019-nCoV Coronovirus (COVID-19]

I actually think the idea of completely isolating old folks with weak immune systems, with their retirement home healthcare personnel has some merit. If the personnel is up for that of course.
Your example could also mean errors in the isolation were made. I noticed there is progressing insight on that in individual homes here too (and then when verified shared with others and the experts. Quite encouraging how different organisations cooperate here! ). I still think it can be done succesfully. There are examples of it here where it worked (so far at least). Problem is its not a general solution as it can't be forced on every retirement home or other care system and its personnel. This is not Nam (or China)! There are rules here

 

I'm roughly for a similar approach.

I agree the lockdowns (also my countrys milder form) can't last for too long. I don't think it would be because of starvation though. Or if so (in some places), not because there would be a national food shortage. It would be because of the pressure and all other problems it generates for people, businesses and systems.

 

How can there be a egg shortage, when no restaurants are using eggs..
How can there be milk waste, if people actually need food?
How can there be vegetables thrown in the landfill by the ton, if there is a food shortage?

 

I'd take one of those!

My insurance has more than the minimum required by law and I lowered the deductible so that if I crash I pay less before my policy kicks in. As such, it's an embarrassing figure.

I'm going to call in tomorrow and see what they're doing. I haven't driven except to the grocery, and today to a restaurant to get carry out.

I'll be happy with whatever they say, even if it's nothing just so that someone knows that we are paying attention.

 

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Here a ambulance driver says its high risk people with the problems.

 

Narita airport (NRT)... All passengers returning to Japan are tested for coronavirus upon landing. While they wait for results (2 days), they must stay and sleep at the airport in cardboard boxes with mattresses.

 

Great... Where's my smokes?

 

Is this right?
Not saying it's not, genuinely asking
Because here I noticed they've started saying people died WITH it not OF it.

These are questions I have wondered about.
One answer is that our whole society is really terribly organized.

 

There has not been a shortage of eggs here tho.. just fine buying them here.

 

No shortage of anything here except flour.

 

Asmo, I'm just fucking around with you, as I know you are never going to answer any question that would make you look morally questionable - a question like what if more kids end up dying as a result of the lockdowns and economic fallout

Watch the Wittkowski video when you get the chance. How does a guy like that get it bang on, he actually started in psychiatry, then moved to rna modelling and biostatistics. i.e is a mathematician

Whereas on the other hand, how do 14 PhDs from the Imperial College of London present such shoddy modelling in the first place, and how do they get estimates so breathtakingly wrong....because none of them were mathematicians

Nor are any of these CMOs standing next to world leaders

The real experts now are statisticians, mathematicians that have experience in modelling RNA viruses in particularly, and they aren't saying lockdowns are the way to go.

Here is another one:

"An infectious diseases modeller in Melbourne says one method of relaxing Australia's COVID-19 restrictions could see the infection deliberately spread in low-risk groups, like school children, to build immunity.

In a segment on tonight's episode of 60 Minutes, Professor Emma McBryde told reporter Liam Bartlett the option is one way to get at least part of society functioning again without causing a widespread health disaster.

"Young children may be the key to getting out of lockdown," Prof McBryde said

Professor Emma McBryde is an infectious diseases modeller and says one option we have is carefully allowing the infection to spread in select low risk groups, so we can get at least part of our society functioning properly again.

"One of the answers could be in the fact that COVID-19 behaves differently in different age groups. It appears that children are not only less vulnerable to severe disease, they also may well be less infectious and less likely to become symptomatic."


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Full lockdowns were never the correct plan. Should have isolated everyone over 50 and anyone high risk younger, whilst leaving the rest of society to get on with society functioning. That is the right balance between the short term and the long term, and it will be more evident as the days go by

Any country that did the full lockdown thing too early, New Zealand, most of Europe is going to be in serious trouble soon, and remember again China never locked down the whole country, just some cities in 4 provinces

Why Italy, France and Spain but Germany not so much?....ageing populations in high population density areas in the worlds temperate zones

......but also with chronically underfunded health systems

Beeeecause the EU wasn't equitable utopian society it previously pretended to be, and that also is becoming a lot more obvious

 

Have any of our members here actually had the virus yet?

 

COVID-19 Allegheny county by neighborhood..

 

they can introduce more outdoor spaces as well. Maybe part of their parking lots..

 

New York City Dog and Cat Shelters Empty as People Foster While Staying at Home

 

Today we had the 10th, 11th and 12th confirmed cases of corona in my county. Two women, 30-ish and 20-ish, and a girl in her late teens.

 

I don't know is also an answer. But I accompanied an answer to a similar question earlier with that it's highly unlikely, so a hypothetical question in the first place.
Not that they have to die in the scenario in order to consider alternative options for the lockdown btw. They (and others, like their parents and a lot of other adults) could get in another way so much behind in life that the 'costs' outweigh the measures.
But to go along with your scenario: what would be the main reasons a lot of them might die?

I also wanna add that you act like if there wouldn't be a lockdown now, none of this pressure on the economy and social, health and financial systems on the long term, and the disstress that follows it, would occur at all. That's also highly hypothetical. We can make better educated guesses at what would happen in the hardest hit areas if there wasn't a lockdown in place now at all. The consequences following out of such a scenario would be a similar drain on the economy. It would affect people differently though, the people in the least infected areas could even continue their work. Oh yeah, until it spreads there and you get suprised how hard certain areas/communities get hit... because we don't know! We do know it does hit certain areas disproportionately high though. Hence the fricking precautions.