Socialism is like life in a pandemic

So basically instead of one huge spike of sick people with it, it will be a bunch of small waves.

 

Not True! They do it for political reasons but what I saw was they ordered the people to stay in their apartment buildings.

 

took them long enough to order this! They are on lockdown! Wuhan has been on lockdown for the last 3 weeks. Hospitals there are overwhelmed and makeshift hospitals are being put together in three days, with little to no care, left to die, the hospitals are overwhelmed, and yes more people are dying there from it. Population control, more money for the government. They got a spike and allowed it to happen that way. Probably wanted it to. They could have dealt with this better seeing as it was known in China last November. The government hushed it up. But the people on lockdown make memes for entertainment,

China's unprecedented quarantine of 11 million people in Wuhan is 3 weeks old. Here's what it's like in the isolated city.

 

Wakey, wakey, get with the programme - the Chinese closed the 'new' hospitals they built yesterday after the last patient was discharged !!!


Wuhan's Temporary Hospitals Close as Risk of Coronavirus Decreases | ArchDaily

 

Yes, and making this primarily about the economic system a country is in is a fallacy. A country's hospitals will be overwhelmed regardless of it if not taking proper precautions.
But my countering point to 6-eyed still stands: if we would have a completely communist system (which I'm not advocating btw) as opposed to a capitalist where profits and a continous cash flow are essential to keep private businesses from collapsing due to a temporary lockdown, there would be less worries about economic consequences. It's due to the capitalistic aspect in our societies that it's a most serious concern now.

 

Also I am not sure Italy is right wing. So many socialist views in their constitution. They are a democratic republic.

The parties there which hold seats in parliament are center left and center right. But socialist policies are very strong in Italy as well.

 

Regardless of all that; its capitalist in a lot of typical and crucial aspects. But you can ignore all that

 

This is going to sound crazy but hear me out.
I think Italy is a mixed market economy

 

Donald Trump, the Bernie Sanders of the republican party, hahaha.

I digress however. This is for komrade shaman.

 

I think everyone participating so far knows that. They just emphasize on the part that suits them.
If you notice Beachball and 6-eyed are ignoring the relevant points and most nuancing remarks.

 

well, yes, left and right are worrying about economic consequences and what this means for them and their family. If the government bails them out and the value of your currencies are zero then where do you go? Poverty will increase. If companies go bankrupt there will be no means of support After this is over. I don’t have answers on this. Who do you support, people Or companies,? Or help companies to help their workers and remain open after this is over? Companies have a responsibility to their employees in my opinion.

during the Great Depression many were out of work. Money was given to the people, sure some can’t find work, but if you help companies this creates jobs so people can support themselves, keeping companies afloat and not closing down. It needs a balance. If someone says, well, I can get the same money for not working, where is the incentive?

 

Seems you put more trust in companies helping their people out (which is frankly impossible for many if they stagnate in income due to a pandemic like this) than individual people if they get government compensation. Not sure that's warranted.

 

Maybe it is good for everything to fall apart. People might stop pointing fingers and fighting, learn what really matters and rebuild, come together, As I said, I don’t have the answers, but there needs to be a balance, lots of small businesses own by family. Little convenient store, small businesses that will be hit. They will suffer the worst for their hard work. Largest businesses will lay off and not be able to survive it as well. It will be about food water and shelter, communication and transportation, nothing more.

 

It might be good on the long term and if we see the old and weak as nonessential and a burden that's not bad to get rid off.

And who in this thread is pointing fingers? Lol

 

I don’t know who is pointing the finger in this thread, don’t really care who is. Seems to me everyone is. But for me, life isn’t about that. Pretty sure you pointed a finger, so have others, just doesn’t matter to me. This is not a time for blaming in my opinion. And the old and weak matter to families. I agree with 6s first post. Was that pointing a finger or just stating a fact?

So go out and end the life of your grandparents asmo if you feel that way. Best of luck to you and your family, best of luck to you when you help rebuild or build something and then are considered useless by your children and grand children and simply a drain on society and of no use as your body fails. Pretty selfish attitude, which seems to be young leftists attitude with regards to people who tried to build a better life for generations to come. That’s gratitude for you. That’s a good show of appreciation and love for those who cared for you. Nothing will ever be perfect. I accept that. Change is supposedly a constant, but I wonder if that is true. History repeats too often. Younger generations reject their families, rebel against and then later find themselves in the same boat as those before. But I have never seen before, the level it is now where people blame their parents and grand, believe they should die off to make way for the young.

Bonk Bonk!

I don’t believe this is going to be as bad as people are speculating, I believe there is a lot of hype. There will be a recession, but now is not a time for panic imo.

Also know you are just talking shit, for the most part. Problem is some leftists really think like that, or many young ones,

Any how, this thread is an anti socialist thread, anti left wing thread. many here seem to not be respect that. Me included. We should all get back on track and criticize socialism.

 

It's the OP...

 

The more things change, the more they remain the same.
During the great depression, Roosevelt came up with the CCC, and the WPA, which helped people to do some work in dire times. They worked on parks, built bridges, and many other projects. That was socialism that helped millions of people feed and clothe themselves and their families.

 

no, it isn’t the OP. This is an anti left, anti socialist thread. Others who responded are pointing. He is stating a facts. The leftist just have to accept it. Can’t the same be said about the right? Sure, but this thread isn’t about that. Show me a thread that hasn’t turned into finger pointing please? This thread is for like minded people. You live in a capitalistic country after all. You must agree with your people there to an extent. Shit, Canada is in the top ten. Lol. Who would have thought? Left means right and right means left.

so let’s get back on track.

Socialism is like...................

 

yes, my grandfather planted trees in Canada. . But they worked for it. Contributed.

 

OK, let's go there. Lets get rid of the military, the police, the fire departments, the veterans administration, the census, the elections, national park system, the rangers that work there, the post office--on and on on. Let's privatize EVERYTHING. We'll be fine.