The Donald Trump Score Card

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  1. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Care to share the article then?
     
  2. Flagme15

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    but you are still here.
     
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  3. Vanilla Gorilla

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    So where are we all on the farmers, should the government be giving them money or not

    Or are we all just waiting to see what Trump does.

    If Trump gives them money, giving them money is bad

    If Trump doesn't give them money, he broke his promise to give them money, and how can he be so mean not giving them money

    Sound about right?
     
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  5. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Tres Biggs went to jail for failing to appear in court for unpaid medical bills. He described it as "scary."

    That law was put in place at Hassenplug's own recommendation to the local judge. The attorney uses that law by asking the court to direct people with unpaid medical bills to appear in court every three months and state they are too poor to pay in what is called a "debtors exam."

    If two hearings are missed, the judge issues an arrest warrant for contempt of court. Bail is set at $500.


    Yeah, I thought as much. Jail sentence is for contempt of court. Not unpaid medical bills
     
  6. Asmodean

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    Are there specific reasons for that money? My opinion (as a non american, but the issue of subsidizing or buying whole farms out plays in my country too) will be based on what the money is supposed to be spend on.
    Is it to give an impulse to farms relying on intensive conventional farming? Is it to stimulate a certain change? Etc.
     
  7. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Egger gave a link to the article and so did I later

    Farmers Got Billions From Taxpayers In 2019, And Hardly Anyone Objected
     
  8. Asmodean

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    Well, I'm definitely against financial compensation because some couldn't sell their soy beans to China. And hoe and where the money seems to come from seems not right either?:
    Makes sense at first instance:
    Although ideally you don't demand public benefits in exchange for bailout money, it's better to spend the money directly on environmental programs and don't bailout farmers that unfortunately had bad luck on the international market (partly thanks to their own presidents trade war)
     
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  9. Vanilla Gorilla

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    So giving money to the farmers = bad, then?
     
  10. Asmodean

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    Depends on the details as i tried to explain.
     
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  11. Vanilla Gorilla

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    In that article there is a link to this

    USDA Announces Details of Support Package for Farmers

    "American farmers have dealt with unjustified retaliatory tariffs and decades of non-tariff trade disruptions, which have curtailed U.S. exports to China and other nations. Trade damages from such retaliation and market distortions have impacted a host of U.S. commodities. High tariffs disrupt normal marketing patterns, raising costs by forcing commodities to find new markets. Additionally, American goods shipped to China have been slowed from reaching market by unusually strict or cumbersome entry procedures, which affect the quality and marketability of perishable crops. These boost marketing costs and unfairly affect our producers. USDA is using a variety of programs to support American farmers, ranchers, and producers"

    This has been going on for decades
     
  12. Asmodean

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    I personally am against subsidizing production and exporting american soy and pork to China (same with dutch dairy products mind you). If we can't get it there with a profit without subsidizing the farmers the money is better spend differently.
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Which means you agree with Trump
     
  14. Asmodean

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    Is that a concern if true? :p But I thought the Trump administration gave them these subsidy as well? Is this done against Trumps wishes then?
     
  15. Meliai

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    I just hope this is used against Trump in the election to show that he does indeed support socialism.
     
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  16. Meliai

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    Subsidies to farmers =

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  17. Flagme15

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    Whoever the dem candidate is needs to give to trump what he gives.
    No more mr/ms nice person.
     
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    socialism
    /ˈsəʊʃəlɪz(ə)m/
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    noun
    1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Since a lot of the funding seems to be biparsing congress, even they don't have a say in distribution, let alone the community as a whole, it's the opposite of socialism

    Giving money for nothing does not equal socialism. Most capital doesn't give an immediate return

    Buffing up one of ones most vulnerable (and vote sensitive) industries, whilst slapping tariffs on the opposition and hoping to call their bluff is just another form of capital if the plan works.

    That is, if in the end it does result in a far better trade environment for those soy farmers, $28 billion is just an investment
     
  19. Vanilla Gorilla

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    And who sabotaged Gabbard do you think?

    Could have had 4 main strategies; a candidate that's going to get as dirty as Trump, the polar opposite of that - which is Buttegieg, full on socialist - which is heart valve Bernie, and the opposite of that, the most Republican Democrat there is - which is Gabbard

    You only have 2 of those 4

    What was Hillary actually afraid of about Gabbard?
     
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    I've mentioned this before - I am an Iowa farmer . Govt support is essentially irrelevant . The rational farmer
    saves wealth in years abundance to survive the bad . We do not vote for the weather . Personally , I have
    a buffalo drum . Boom , it for speaking against bad nonsense in the world of mind .
     
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