The Donald Trump Score Card

No its not, lode pointed out a week or so ago those independants in the past usually split close to 50/50 between Reps and Dems come election day

It doesnt really mean anything.

Your mind wants to believe, but I seriously doubt Trump is disturbed by it

 

I'm very surprised to learn that a fox news poll reports this. I agree, but those guys?

I honestly doubt he will be removed from office. It's news like this that makes me hope he will be, but for the most part I can't help but be apathetic. The senate is republican. So is the president, and even though his guilt is clear to me I don't think the same can be said for republican senators.

 

That is correct.

 

Keep spinning it. You re doing a terrible job at it.

 

Hey Flagie, here is supporting evidence, or the first of it anyways.

 

I hope you are not apathetic in November. I hope that the people who want him removed now, have that same feeling in November.

 

of course not. Whoever is on the ticket I don't even care. My vote's going to block Trump. I have not ambitions about policies or anything; in that regard nothing will stop me from voting against him.

 

Trump is afraid of witness testimony, the testimony that he said he'd love to hear but prevented by ordering his officials across six agencies to not testify.



Democrats are having a field day after Trump's lawyers accidentally made the strongest case to call witnesses in his impeachment trial
Sonam Sheth, Business Insider
January 26, 2020

Democrats are having a field day after Trump's lawyers accidentally made the strongest case to call witnesses in his impeachment trial

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"Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut echoed that point, telling MSNBC that Trump's lawyers "repeatedly said that we have heard limited evidence from individuals who talked directly to the president, who were ordered by the president to engage in this scheme."

"Of course, the reason for that is because the White House won't let us hear" from those people, he added. "So if what's missing ... is direct evidence of what the president told the people who work for him, there's a way to solve for that. I hope we don't have to get leaked audio of the president directing orders in this corruption scheme in order to prove our case."

He was referring to a bombshell report from ABC News this week which said the outlet had obtained an audio tape from 2018 where Trump is heard ordering the firing of Marie Yovanovitch, who at the time the US's ambassador to Ukraine.

The president demanded she be removed after his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, colluded with a controversial op-ed columnist and two Ukrainian associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, to plant negative stories about Yovanovitch in the press accusing her of anti-Trump bias.

"Get rid of her!" Trump is heard saying in the recording. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. OK? Do it.""

 

Your usual in-depth retort I see

 

Trump used the same underhanded approach during the 1980's when he was going through his divorce. He used a fake name John Baron to spread misinformation about his ex-wife to reporters.

Trump hasn't changed much through the decades, other than his narcissism worsening.

 

Donald Trump’s Long, Strange History of Using Fake Names
By Michael D'Antonio
May 18, 2016 1:00 PM EST

Donald Trump's Long, Strange History of Using Fake Names

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"In fact, Trump’s use of fake names is far more extensive than most people realize. For more than a decade – 1980 to 1991 — Trump used phony names to promote himself. I know from my work as Trump’s biographer that even prior to the John Miller episode, Trump had posed as John Baron (or Barron). A close look at when and how Trump used these ruses–and how he’s using a new form of verbal trickery today–provides insight into billionaire developer who could be America’s next president.

Who gave Trump the idea to use fake names

Trump’s father, Fred, had used a fake name – Mr. Green – to conduct business that he wanted to keep secret. He was well-known as a developer in the outer boroughs of New York, and he wanted to inquire about properties without tipping his hand. In theory, owners who knew that wealthy Fred Trump was interested would bargain more aggressively. “Mr. Green” was well known by his children. When Donald began using John Baron alias, the joke inside the family was that on the day became the subject of a subpoena, poor Baron would fall ill and die.

He used Baron, and later, Miller, to avoid trouble, float ideas, and even spread gossip about himself. In all these cases he sought to protect and polish the Trump image, or brag in ways that would be unseemly, even for a man who is synonymous with self promotion."

 

Political corruption
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Political corruption - Wikipedia

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"Political corruption is the use of powers by government officials or their network contacts for illegitimate private gain.

Forms of corruption vary, but include bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, parochialism, patronage, influence peddling, graft, and embezzlement. Corruption may facilitate criminal enterprise such as drug trafficking, money laundering, and Human trafficking, though it is not restricted to these activities. Misuse of government power for other purposes, such as repression of political opponents and general police brutality, is also considered political corruption."

 

Now we have John Bolton's account, which supports Lev Parnas' account, which supports the account of several state department employees, and supports ambassador Yovanovitch, and supports that funny looking Sondland guy who gave Trump a million dollars. I would now say the whistle blower was truthful, and we have a criminal in the highest office in the land.

 

I've known that since inauguration day....

 

Despite all that, still have to prove he did it to discredit a political opponent and not the broader wanting an investigation into what shifty stuff him and his kid where doing there

 

I'm sure Lev Parnas do a bunch of explanation. After that Adam Schiff could file some new charges.

 

Apparently news travels slowly to Australia. Either that, or you're not paying attention. This case is not about Biden or his son. It is about trump.
If you go back two or three years, trump was interviewed by George Stephanopoulos. In that interview, trump said he would have no problem asking a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political opponent.
I know it's hard for you, but try and keep up.

 

The fact that he asked a foreign entity to do it rather than opening an official investigation through proper US channels is proof enough yes?

 

Romney, Collins say Bolton revelations strengthen case for witnesses, make them increasingly likely
At least four Republicans would need to support Democrats' call for testimony in a vote expected later this week.
Allan Smith
January 27, 2020

Romney, Collins say Bolton revelations strengthen case for witnesses, make them increasingly likely

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"I think, with the story that came out yesterday, it's increasingly apparent that it would be important to hear from John Bolton," Romney told reporters in brief comments. He said he hasn't fully made up his mind on calling witnesses, but what Bolton has to say is "relevant" and "therefore I'd like to hear it."

"I think it's increasingly likely that other Republicans will join those of us who think we should hear from John Bolton," Romney said. "I've spoken with others who've opined upon this as well."

Another moderate Republican senator, Susan Collins of Maine, tweeted out a statement saying the "reports about John Bolton's book strengthen the case for witnesses and have prompted a number of conversations among my colleagues."

The statement also maintained, "I've always said that I was likely to vote to call witnesses, just as I did in the 1999 Clinton trial."

 

AP FACT CHECK: Trump misstates the record on John Bolton
HOPE YEN, CALVIN WOODWARD and ERIC TUCKER
Associated Press
January 27, 2020, 12:12 AM EST

AP FACT CHECK: Trump misstates the record on John Bolton

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"A sampling of recent statements where truth came up short:

TRUMP: “The Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton to testify. It is up to them, not up to the Senate!” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: House Democrats asked Bolton to testify and he declined. He did not show up for his deposition. Trump is also incorrect in suggesting impeachment witnesses are the sole province of the House.

House Democrats decided not to pursue a subpoena compelling him to testify in the House proceedings because he threatened to sue, which could have meant an extended court fight. Afterward, however, Bolton signaled his willingness to testify at the Senate trial if he's subpoenaed.

The Senate trial has yet to resolve if any witnesses will be called, much less who. It is empowered to do so if it chooses, contrary to Trump's suggestion that “it is up to” the House only."