The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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  2. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Was about to make fun of her only having a BA

    But then I read this:

    "In 2008, while Ocasio-Cortez was a sophomore at Boston University, her father died of lung cancer.[22][23] Ocasio-Cortez became involved in a lengthy probate battle to settle his estate. She has said that the experience helped her learn "firsthand how attorneys appointed by the court to administer an estate can enrich themselves at the expense of the families struggling to make sense of the bureaucracy".[24]"


    Which probably soaked up the relevant funds for postgrad at the time
     
  3. Vanilla Gorilla

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    The actual interview.




    Social security isn't even mentioned, "we will take a look at it" in the article is taken totally out of context

    18:00 for talk on entitlements

    But watch the whole interview, there is a big clue he is going to take on the EU next, take advantage of Brexit and the German downturn

    Other highlights; he refers to Bernie as Crazy Bernie and says Hispanic Americans are doing better than they have ever done
     
  4. Flagme15

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    by believing everything trump says, you have just affirmed my opinion of you.
     
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  5. Okiefreak

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    Thanks for providing that. But what I heard Trump say in the interview you provided was that entitlements would be on his plate , and "at the end of the year"he'd "take a look at that" because "that's the easiest of all things". Social security wasn't specifically mentioned, but he was specifically talking about "entitlements". Entitlements are commonly understood to include Social Security and Medicare. I'd say that taken in context he said what you said he didn't say. Or is there some technical quibble I'm overlooking. Check it out. Or have we moved from alternative facts to alternative language.
     
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  7. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Apparently we are into alternative language if you think "take a look at that" means anything other than "take a look at that"
     
  8. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Ok, the article has this paragraph

    "The freewheeling comments offer remarkable insights into the president's approach on federal spending and the debt, which barreled past $23 trillion late last year. "

    Tell me what is totally misleading there.

    Notice how there is a federal prefixing spending, but not prefixing debt

    I will give you a hint:

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  9. stormountainman

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    While you are at it why don't you explain why so many lawyer work for free for Trump?
     
  10. stormountainman

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    I think Trump came to office with a prior set legal plan. He must have known that America's lawyer and Attorneys General would stand in his way, so he fired 41 of them during his first week in office. His first Senior Federal Attorney target was the one in New York, Preet Bhrahara who was specialized in high end financial crimes.
     
  11. stormountainman

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    I was wondering what the debt in Australia looks like?
     
  12. Okiefreak

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    As an Aussie, you may not appreciate that Social Security is known as "the Third Rail" of American politics. Politicians who touch it meet an untimely end. In this interview, Trump at least appears to be flirting with the possibility.

    Yeah, it's a phenomenon. You're into words, I'm into meanings. As an Aussie, you may not appreciate that Social Security is known as "the Third Rail" of American politics. Politicians who touch it or even hint at doing so meet untimely ends. In the interview in question, Trump at least appears to be flirting with the possibility, and waxing warm to it.

    True, Trump didn't say he "would" cut entitlements; he said he would "take a look at" doing so, and then gave reasons why it might be a good idea (nothing about why it would be a bad one). The news report you said had been altered didn't say he "would" either. The by-line was "Democrats Pounce as Trump says he would consider cuts to Social Security and Medicare". The words "would consider" don't mean a definite "would". Trump indicates the "look" would be favorable to a cut, and explains why, despite his previous promise, he'd consider it :“At some point they will be. We have tremendous growth. This next year I — it’ll be toward the end of the year. The growth is going to be incredible. And at the right time, we will take a look at that. You know, that’s actually the easiest of all things, if you look, because it’s such a big percentage.” When the interviewer asked whether Trump was “willing to do some of the things that you said you wouldn’t do in the past, though, in terms of Medicare”, Trump replied “Well, we’re going — we’re going [to] look,” Trump responded. “We also have assets that we’ve never had. I mean we’ve never had growth like this.” To me, the article was a fair and representation of what he said. It didn't include a verbatim transcript, but the substance was there. A reasonable construction is that yes, he promised otherwise, but that was then, this is now. With such great growth, who needs entitlements?

    Understandably, after he said that Trumpsters like yourself have been scrambling for damage control--to figure out ways to claim he didn't say what he said--much like their (and your) desperate efforts re the Ukrainian shakedown transcript. I sympathize with your problem, but he said what he said, and it didn't sound good for entitlements.
     
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  13. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Upside down
     
  14. stormountainman

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    Governor Blevins who got support from Trump attacked Medicaid in Kentucky. He got the boot in the next election.
     
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    You mean the guy who pardoned 400+ people, including murderers who were friends of his. That Governor Blevins?
    It's just more proof that republicans don't give a damn about law and order.
     
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    Yes … Yes … that's the one! He also cut Food Stamps to poor people in Kentucky, without thinking at all! You see, the majority of people on food stamps are white Republican Trump supporters.
     
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    Fox News poll: Half of Americans say Trump should be convicted and removed
    By Justin Wise
    01/26/20 11:49 AM EST

    Fox News poll: Half of Americans say Trump should be convicted and removed

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    "Half of Americans say the Senate should vote to convict and remove President Trump from office, according to a new Fox News poll.

    The survey, which was released Sunday and conducted as the Senate impeachment trial began in earnest, found that 50 percent of Americans think the Senate should vote to convict and remove Trump, while 44 percent believe the upper chamber should not vote to remove the president.

    Opinions on impeachment and removal break strongly along partisan lines. Eighty-one percent of Democrats say Trump should be removed from office, while 84 percent of Republicans say he shouldn't. A majority of independent voters (53 percent) think Trump should be removed, while just 34 percent say he should not.

    The numbers stand in contrast to when the impeachment trial of former President Clinton began in January 1999. Around the beginning of the trial, 38 percent of Americans said Clinton should be removed. In addition, 65 percent of Americans said at the time that they approved of the job Clinton was doing as president."
     
  18. tumbling.dice

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    Do you have a source for that?
     
  19. egger

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    53% of independents wanting Trump removed from office is a disturbing number for him.

    Independents don't appear to be buying into his claim that the ones who issued impeachment articles against him are the real criminals.

    His latching onto the religious right lately, such as his Evangelicals For Trump group and his attendance at an anti-abortion rally, might entrench him further in his base but probably won't score him any points with independents.
     
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  20. Vanilla Gorilla

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    That is just bizarre how many "dont knows" you guys have. 53% independant voters, vast majority of them dont vote for an independant or a third party come election time. 90% of those 53% are "dont knows" really
     
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