Knife bin ransacked by street gang

Again is this the level of right wing analysis these days oh I know its 6 so it’s not surprising from him but it’s not just him.

So Britain is a ‘political clusterfuck’ but the US is supposedly a beacon of political wisdom and stability at this time is it?

I’ve explained why we have been having political problems in the UK

What we have is two forms of democracy in conflict

1) Representative Democracy – where people vote for someone (usually in a political party) based on the detailed policies that have been put forward to tackle multiple issues.

2) Plebiscite Democracy – voting Yes or No on something with no detail over one issue.

So you have people that would vote for a party base on the first but on the second be in conflict with that party.

We have those that are Conservative voters that are for remain and Labour voters who are for leave

The thing is that Representative Democracy is based on the idea that the representative works in the best interests of the voters, but in Plebiscite Democracy it doesn’t matter about what is best for the voter it is just a matter of implementing what has been asked for.

So do representatives push for what they think is best for the people they represent or to implement what has been asked for by voters even while believing that isn’t in the voter’s best interests?

The conflict between these two forms of democracy have been shaking the UK’s political system apart.

 

Varmint

What has this to do with Theresa May? I would agree that the Tories and neoliberal policies have ruined the UK but that hasn’t got anything to do with having Muslims in Britain.

And since you mention Merkel is this like some kind of Brexit related argument if so all I can say is you need to learn a bit of history about the UK.

The vast majority of Muslims in the UK are he in relation to the British Empire (Bangladesh and Pakistan) actually the largest numbers of ‘EU’ immigrants are white and of a Christian background (Irish and Poles).

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And where’s the evidence that these Asian’s are Muslims what in the photo tells you they are can you tell what religion they are? And what evidence do you have that ‘Muslims’ are committing a high proportion of the crimes in the UK?

I mean if you take Asian then actually violent crime is actually low for that group below that of White or Black -

The Home Office does track the ethnicity of criminal defendants and publishes this data once every two years. The most recent report, in 2016, showed that of the 25,121 people convicted for a violent crime that year, 83 percent identified as white, 7 percent identified as black; and 5.8 percent identified as Asian. (A spreadsheet with this data can be downloaded here.)

In the UK, “Asian” is typically used to describe people of South Asian descent (e.g., Pakistani, Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi) unlike in the United States, where “Asian” is more often used to describe people of East Asian descent (e.g., Chinese, Japanese, Korean). However, nowhere is “Muslim” recognized as an ethnicity, as it is a religion and as such, can be represented by anyone from any country, so it is even more difficult to pin down exactly where their numbers came from.

Also can you explain what you mean by ‘western values’ I mean if you look at the last 200 years of history what westerners have mostly liked doing is killing people and taking over other people’s lands.

 

Thats just rewording the exact same thing

"corrupting schooling" into ranking them / grading them somehow

They are going to get ranked and graded on performance once they get out into the big wide world

So apart from everything else, you are one of those snowflakes - They shouldnt have to compete with each other, wrap them up in cotton wool, but then when high school is over just throw them in the deep end

 

No man, its a total clusterfuck at the moment

And your reasoning is because of plebiscites? You are delusional

Should have gotten rid of Corbyn after the last election. Labour should have romped home in this upcoming election

 

VG

LOL the schools are going to be graded once they get out into the big wide world – what the fuck are you talking about?

But seriously what are you going on about? What is your counter argument for marketitised education?

This is not about individual children, it’s about the school system – can you please read the posts – students would still take exams would still be tested the problem is a system where the results of those tests are used (misleadingly) to grade schools and hand out money.

Again do you know anything about the subject because these replies indicate you haven’t a clue?

I’m actually in favour of education based not on rote and learning for the test but one that is actually about preparing people for the ‘real world’ you seem to be defending the one that doesn’t because you haven’t really given this any actual thought and are just mouthing meaningless right wing gibberish.

The person that could really benefit from an education based on questioning rather than just repeating things you’ve been told to say, is you.

 

OK so let’s look at this

First a repetition of somesthing someone else said – that is anyway meaningless without explanation -1

This is followed by a statement that makes it clear the poster didn’t understand what had been talked about so is dismissive of it. -1

The last bit does have a point but it is just repeating something someone else said in another thread so again just repetition -1

So the grade would be minus 3 - a fail.

 

You voted for Blairs "New" Labour though didnt you. You wouldnt have voted for the Tories at the time

You voted for him, fell for his shit, its a bit of an inconvenience as you cant blame all privitization on the Tories, So in your mind Blair is an honorary Tory

 

Yeah, I have noticed you purposely take out the members ID in quotes so others cant easily go back and follow the trail

And this is why:

This

Turns to this

I dont see any reference to funding allocation of schools in that first quote, then in the second one I have quoted you try make it out about that issue, even include a "can you please read the posts" for the 100th time for something that doesnt even exist

More likely you realized how stupid "learning for the test rather than....." sounded and then tried to switch tactics

 

I am the one, many times that has said they should have gotten rid of Corbyn after the last election

Totally ridiculous keeping him on after losing an election, he with a personality of soggy bread....who, in the lead up to this election really should just have said, we will throw a whole bunch of money at the NHS, otherwise just keep his mouth shut

But Noooooo, 100,000 council flats a year. Vote for Corbyn he wants to create a whole bunch of Chav-burbs right next door to you

Initial rumours suggest those Chav-burbs are going to be created in and around Brighton and Hackney, so you and Vlad can be up to your eyeballs in how awesome socialism is

 

VG

Oh you poor thing - actually I was so outraged by New Labour that it got me active in politics - for the Green Party – at the time when Blair was in office I was out going door to door conversing against him and New Labour.

I mean I’ve been very critical of those left leaning groups that got seduced by neoliberal ideas (for example New Labour in the UK and the Clinton Democrats in the US) I’ve written about it many times.

If you actually read my post you would already know that.

 

VG

What are you talking about?

I honestly can’t work out what you are trying to say – I mean the two quote are different one has not turned into another and in what way is ‘leaning for the test’ stupid

I mean I still stand by the statement that the false equivalence market place within education has the effect of corrupting schooling into learning for the test rather than been about rational thought and questioning inquiry.

Have you a rational counter argument?

I think you need to learn a bit more about the subject because this post makes it clear you don’t seem to know much about it.

 

VG

What the fuck are you on about now?

So to you the people that this house building would help are Chavs? (definition - a pejorative used in the United Kingdom for an anti-social lower class youth).

The majority of the people finding it hard to find housing in the UK are public sector workers, nurses, firefighters, teachers or others on low wages. Workers that find it hard to get on the property ladder and to you these hard working people are dismissed as Chavs, you are a real piece of work aren’t you.

And I’d love to have more affordable housing in Hackney.

 

The Green party

One whole MP

Oi

 

Ah, but it wont be the public sector workers, nurses, firefighters, teachers that get the council flats now will it

 

VG

And what evidence do you have for this statement?

This is exactly what I’m talking about, right wingers don’t care about facts or been educated on a subject they are happy to lie and repeat right wing gibberish, they seem to revel in their ignorance like pigs in shit.

 

I need evidence do I?

That those council flats arent going to go to welfare mums, pensioners and new immigrants before firefighters and teachers

Pffft. Call me cynical then


Give Corbyn at most a 20% chance of getting in with a majority big enough to actually accomplish anything anyway

 

Just look at the last few pages and it tells you so much the kind of people attracted to right wing views - the working class are clavs, all Muslims are violent western hating extremists, you don’t need to know anything about a subject to tell people who do that they are wrong, they are happy to lie they are happy to dissemble and they come across as a bunch of little hate-filled people, close minded, petty, bitter and mean of spirit.

Yet they are so lacking in self-awareness that they think they are awesome. I don’t know if to cry from laughter or the tragedy of it all.

 

Don’t allow yourself to be gaslighted

We do have a problem with knife crime in the UK – it’s not about religion or ethnicity it’s about social and economic inequality

But there is a lot of money out there that would like you to think it’s about religion or ethnicity

Because if you stopped blaming the Muslims, the Catholics or the Jews, the blacks the browns the Yids and the gooks then you might actually see that most of the problems of the world are the fault of those moneyed interests.

Oh and then that leads to that other great thing that a lot of money has been spent on to demonise fear and blame – socialism, communism and any form of thought that is even thought of as left wing oh yes the horrible and terrible libtards, pinkos and progressives

Why do you think wealthy interests don’t want you listening to those type of people?

 

Well, it is what it is

Show us all the photos of the kids of japanese or canadian immigrants showing up for a knife fight in some UK location

Morality, ethics, political correctness aside

It is what it is

About race, no, about culture, hell yes

 

I agree if you look at British culture it does seem to produce a lot of violence, just look at the long history of football related violence for example the big fights been mods and rockers back in the 50’s 60’s oh and the occasional race riot.

The 2004 Home Office document "Delinquent Youth Groups and Offending Behaviour" using a methodology developed by American gang experts and practitioners, reported that an estimated 6% of young people aged 10–19 were classified as belonging to a delinquent youth group, although based on the most stringent criteria this was 4%.

Thing is that although there are problems overall we are actually living in a particular less violent and crime free time in the UK than in most of our history.