The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    This 53 minute call to fox and friends, its just a recap of what he has done the last three years

    Bizarre how its getting reported in the left media - that its stress relief, the hosts are uncomfortable. Obvious bullshit. The one on the right regularly interupts him to ask new questions on policy

    Read all the shit in the media about it that makes out he is under so much stress from an inqury he doesnt give a shit about and is actively trolling.....And then I watch the video, and he is talking about stuff like why he pulled out of the meeting with the Taliban.

    He waffles, but he always waffles, otherwise meh

    Guy knows how to handle an use the media
     
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  2. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    See again, the race card. Most of us understand that what unfocused was saying was not racist but was pointing out that Trump is hostile to immigrants and non-white people but may depend on them to take care of him in his old age. You know that. Cheap shot, and very Trumpian!
     
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  3. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    If he releases his business and tax records, it will be a fake and modified copy … no more original than the Ukraine call transcript or the Mueller report. We are talking about a compulsive liar.
     
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  4. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    And he shits in a solid gold commode.
     
  5. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Lev Parnas' lawyer has just contacted Adam Schiff to say Lev has the goods on Trump and Giuliani.
     
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  6. Flagme15

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    And I hope Nunes. That smug little shithead.
     
  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Meh? He floated the Crowdstrike conspirarcy theory. Was it that one or a more recent one where Steve Doocy challenged him by asking "Did that really happen?" Steve Doocy, ‘Fox & Friends’ co-host, challenges Donald Trump over debunked Ukraine claim
    To see this done by Doocy on Fox is news--a proverbial man bites dog story. To patriotic Americans, spreading Russian disinformation is disturbing, especially when done by the President of the United States. Warrants more than a Meh!
     
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  8. egger

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    Some of Trump's adherents have so much faith in him that they would willingly give him their own car keys. The U.S. farmers did this by giving Trump their livelihood, not just their car.

    They are still adhering to him and thinking that he will obtain a better situation for them than what they had before. Some are even proudly raving about the direct government assistance checks they are receiving, like a battered lover proudly returning to the abuser.

    It will be difficult for U.S. farmers to recover to the level before Trump started his ill-prepared trade war that lacked anticipation of long term consequences. Other markets have opened up in various parts of the world to fill the void created by Trump and will likely have a permanent effect as they become established.
     
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  9. onceburned

    onceburned Banned

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    there isn't as much demand for milk now, one big dairy closed recently.
     
  10. egger

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    If a trial occurs in the Senate, the Trump administration will try to turn it into a free-for-all prosecution of witnesses and of those who weren't even directly involved with the subject matter of the impeachment articles (Biden, Biden's son, Obama, Hillary, Comey, Sessions, Yovanovitch, the former leader of Ukraine, holdovers from previous administrations). .

    In light of getting caught red-handed in his Ukraine dealings which he and the Republicans in Congress eventually realized that they couldn't defend, his administration has embarked on a counter-prosecution strategy with the help of the Justice Department to investigate Obama officials who he claims spied on him to take him down and backdoor people like Giuliani with the help of Attorney General Barr to explore conspiracy theories, such as a server allegedly with Hillary's emails that is supposedly being held by a wealthy Ukrainian that contains evidence of a plot to cripple his 2016 campaign. His most honored adherents of Fox & Friends had trouble keeping a straight face on TV as Trump proffered such beliefs with his evidence being 'well, that's what the word is'.

    Trump has a history of turning the tables on people and accusing them of his own guilty behavior. If Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue, he'd have Giuliani with the help of Barr claim that the real guilty party was an Obama leftover in his administration who tried to take him down by lacing his Big Mac with a mind-altering substance that made him commit homicide (like O.J. saying he will find the 'real' killers). The Republicans in Congress would rally around him, 42% of the U.S. public would believe it, and the hosts of Fox & Friends would invite him to the show for more one-hour rants while they tried not to laugh.
     
  11. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I just saw an article which said Parnas travelled to Madrid with Giuliani to meet Top Ukrainians about Biden Dirt. According to statements from his lawyer: He has hard … HARD … first hand evidence against Nunez, and Trump … and wants to testify. The lawyer said they have been turning DOCUMENTS and other evidence to Adam Schiff.
     
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  12. Okiefreak

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  13. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    They want to remind us Obama went to an Islamic Madrasa.
     
  14. scratcho

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    I ,like some else has mentioned, hope Nunes gets his smug, lying ass handed to him over his trip to try and get dirt on the Bidens. Immoral suck-ass.
     
  15. egger

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    Trump didn't promise a startup company for electric vehicles in Lordstown, Ohio with less than 10% of the original workforce. He was cocksured he could prevent the closing of an existing plant, even telling people they wouldn't have to sell their homes. He not only thinks he can save such dated plants with 100% certainty, he thinks he will expand them to the way it was in the 1950's.

    Trump thinks he can dictate corporations, people, groups, and foreign leaders to take everyone back to a long-lost golden past when steelmaking and coal mining were labor intensive and the U.S. dominated in a region that later became the Rust Belt in the 1980's. Along with the archaic Navarro, Lighthizer, and Ross, he revels in the era of the 1800's when tariffs were a significant portion of U.S. revenue.

    Most people accepted the reality of the Rust Belt in the 1980's and moved forward, but Trump managed to revive lingering sentiment of it decades later. Trump melds the lost fatherland with tariffs by weaponizing them in the name of U.S. national security and (fake) emergencies to try to ressurect the glory days of industry. He has promised a return to the fatherland proudly to the old school working class of PA. OH, and WV who are now realizing that reality doesn't conform to Trump.
     
  16. egger

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    Unlike in 2016, Trump now has a poltical record that can be criticized which makes it more difficult for him to garner support using the same P.T. Barnum act. It's critical for Trump in 2020 because he made steel and coal a centerpiece of his identity politics in 2016 that appealed to the working class in a number of electorally significat swing states that he won in 2016 (WI, MI, OH, PA, WV), some by a very narrow margin. Trump won WI by 0.77%, PA by 0.72%, and MI by 0.23% (10, 20, and 16 electoral votes, respectively).

    Without PA and MI, Trump's 304 electoral count in 2016 would have been 268, below the 270 needed to become President.
     
  17. egger

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    A ploy that remains for Trump is to blame his unrealistic beliefs about steel and coal on not building his border wall quickly enough. Lost industry is supposedly the fault of immigrants stealing those great manufacturing jobs and not due to his lack of expertise in governance and his misguided perception of the reality of the U.S. and global marketplace.

    Those who have to sell their homes in the Lordstown, OH area due to the GM closing and who are so apologetic of Trump might as well move to the southern border and work on his Mexican border wall (and to Colorado, according to Trump who mistakenly stated publicly that the wall is being built there too). He is spending billions and wants eventually $25 billion or more of U.S. taxpayer money that could have been used in states like WI, MI, OH, PA, and WV to invest in modern technology.
     
  18. egger

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    Trump told GM workers he could save their plant, but it's gone for good
    By Vanessa Yurkevich and Betsy Klein, CNN
    Updated 7:49 PM ET, Thu October 17, 2019

    GM's Lordstown plant is gone, despite Trump promises - CNNPolitics

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    "The President cast himself in 2016 as a savior for workers, taking the unusual tack of publicly pressuring corporations like Carrier into changing their plans for moving or changing production. But despite months of demands, Trump has been unable to get GM to keep jobs at Lordstown.

    Trump zeroed in on the Ohio plant because of his promise to working-class voters that he would revive US manufacturing, keeping jobs in the United States. With that promise, Trump won Ohio and did well with voters in Mahoning Valley -- a key to securing the election in 2016.

    In 2017, Trump went to Youngstown, 15 miles down the road from the Lordstown plant, and promised residents that manufacturing jobs would be returning to the region, telling the crowd: "Don't move. Don't sell your house."

    GM worker Ernie Long heard that speech while he was still at the Lordstown plant. "He said don't sell your house, and look, now I got to sell my house that I just built three years ago," said Long, who was at the plant for 11 years. He's still a member of his union -- Local 1112 -- but is injured and not currently working."
     
  19. Flagme15

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    And I thought only Negroes, and Mexicans got welfare.
     
  20. egger

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    Trump has stated publicly that he has the absolute right to pardon himself. Trump is fond of the term 'absolute'.

    The Constitution doesn't permit him to pardon himself of being impeached and removed from office. Whether he can pardon himself for other offenses is open to legal debate and involves whether such a self-pardon is in conflict with various clauses in the Constitution.



    Self-Pardons: The President Can't Pardon Himself, So Why Do People Think He Can?
    By Philip Bobbitt
    Wednesday, June 20, 2018, 2:53 PM

    Self-Pardons: The President Can't Pardon Himself, So Why Do People Think He Can?

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    "A self-pardon by the president is incompatible with the provision of Article II, Section 3 that “he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” and the provision of Article II, Section 1 that “executive power shall be vested in a President.” (Professors Jed Shugarman and Ethan Leib have presented a different argument regarding self-pardons and the Take Care Clause, available here.)

    When a president pardons another person for a federal crime, he is in fact executing the law—the law of the Constitution’s pardon power—despite the fact that he is relieving that person from the execution of the federal penal code. But when the president pardons himself, he assumes a power that is incompatible with, rather than a supplement to, the application of the federal criminal law. That is because as chief law enforcement officer, he could put himself beyond the applicable law simply by withholding his consent to his prosecution by the department he controls while he is president—and then assure himself that he could not be convicted after his term ended—or after impeachment—because he could pardon himself prospectively. Thus the law could not, in the face of such a pardon, be “faithfully” executed, because the pardon itself might be an expression of chicanery and subterfuge—in short, of bad faith. In such circumstances, the pardon is granted not to temper the criminal law or to reconcile political dissidents, as envisioned by the Framers—see, for example, Federalist 74 and remarks by Edmund Randolph at the Philadelphia Convention—but to execute an intrigue by which the law is thwarted. The self-pardon might even then amount to an element of the crime for which he is pardoned.

    No other person is in the same position to thwart the faithful execution of the laws, because no other person could both withhold prosecution while committing crimes and then render prosecution thereafter pointless. It is hard to see how the federal criminal laws—which contemplate investigation as well as prosecution and conviction--- could be faithfully executed if, with regard to one person, they are effectively a nullity."
     
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