Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

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  1. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Assault Weapons: State by State | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

    • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: 1) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; 2) a thumbhole stock; 3) a folding or telescoping stock; 4) a grenade or flare launcher; 5) a flash suppressor; or 6) a forward pistol grip;9
    • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than ten rounds;
    • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches;
    • A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: 1) a threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; 2) a second handgrip; 3) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel allowing the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel; or 4) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;
    • A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds;
    • A semiautomatic shotgun that has both a folding or telescoping stock, and a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip;
    • A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
    • A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
    Antique firearms (i.e., firearms manufactured prior to 1899)10, and certain pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events, are exempt from these provisions.11
     
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    Connecticut defines an “assault weapon” as:

    • Any “selective-fire” firearm capable of fully automatic, semi-automatic or “burst fire” at the option of the user;3
    • Any semi-automatic centerfire rifle, regardless of the date produced, that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features: 1) A folding or telescoping stock; 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; 3) A forward pistol grip; 4) A flash suppressor; or 5) A grenade or flare launcher;4
    • A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features: 1) The ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside the pistol grip; 2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip or silencer; 3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm without being burned (except a slide that encloses the barrel); or 4) A second hand grip;5
    • A semi-automatic shotgun that has both of the following features: 1) A folding or telescoping stock; or 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;6
    • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has: 1) a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition; or 2) an overall length of less than 30 inches;7
    • A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the ability to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;8
    • A semiautomatic shotgun that can accept a detachable magazine; or9
    • A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.10
     
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    Connecticut bans the following specifically named semi-automatic firearms:

    Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson “Linda” Pistol.11

    Connecticut bans the following semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates of such rifles with their capability, that were in production before or on June 18, 2013:

    AK 47; AK 74, AKM, AKS-74U, ARM, MAADI AK 47, MAK90, MISR, NHM90; NHM91, Norinco 56, 56S, 84S and 86S, Poly Technologies AKS and AK47, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR, WASR-10, WUM, Rock River Arms LAR-47; Vector Arms AK-47; AR-10; AR-15; Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster XM15, Bushmaster ACR Rifles, Bushmaster MOE Rifles; Colt Match Target Rifles; Armalite M15; Olympic Arms AR-15, A1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8 and K9 Rifles; DPMS Tactical Rifles; Smith and Wesson M&P15 Rifles; Rock River Arms LAR-15; Doublestar AR Rifles; Barrett REC7; Beretta Storm; Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical, 100, 100 Tactical, I, I Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles; Hi-Point Carbine Rifles; HK-PSG-1; Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU Rifles, and RFB; Remington Tactical Rifle Model 7615; SAR-8, SAR-4800 and SR9; SLG 95; SLR 95 or 96; TNW M230 and M2HB; Vector Arms UZI, Galil and Galil Sporter; Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter; HK USC; IZHMASH Saiga AK; SIG Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716 and M400 Rifles; Valmet M62S, M71S and M78S; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine; and Barrett M107A1.12

    Connecticut also bans the following specified semiautomatic pistols, or copies or duplicates of such pistols with their capability, that were in production prior to or on June 18, 2013:

    Centurion 39 AK; Draco AK-47; HCR AK-47; IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47; Mini-Draco AK-47; Yugo Krebs Krink; American Spirit AR-15; Bushmaster Carbon 15; Doublestar Corporation AR; DPMS AR-15; Olympic Arms AR-15; Rock River Arms LAR 15; Calico Liberty III and III Tactical Pistols; Masterpiece Arms MPA Pistols and Velocity Arms VMA Pistols; Intratec TEC-DC9 and AB-10; Colefire Magnum; German Sport 522 PK and Chiappa Firearms Mfour-22; DSA SA58 PKP FAL; I.O. Inc. PPS-43C; Kel-Tec PLR-16 Pistol; Sig Sauer P516 and P556 pistols; and Thompson TA5 pistols.13

    Finally, Connecticut bans all IZHMASH Saiga 12 shotguns or copies or duplicates with the capability of such shotguns that were in production before or on June 18, 2013.14

    Parts Considered an Assault Weapon in Some Circumstances

    Connecticut bans a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon as defined under Connecticut law and any combination of parts from which such an assault weapon may be assembled if possessed by, or under the control of, the same person.15

    Any firearm that has been permanently rendered inoperable is not an assault weapon.16 In addition, a part or combination of parts of an assault weapon, that are not assembled as an assault weapon, when in the possession of a licensed gun dealer or a gunsmith employed by a dealer for the purposes of servicing or repairing lawfully possessed assault weapons, do not constitute an assault weapon.17
     
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    Assault Weapons in Hawaii
    Last updated October 8, 2018.


    Hawaii criminalizes the manufacture, possession, sale or other transfer, barter, trade, gift or acquisition of an assault pistol.1 Under state law, “assault pistol” is defined as a semiautomatic handgun which accepts a detachable magazine and which has two or more of the following characteristics:

    (1) An ammunition magazine which attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

    (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;

    (3) A shroud which is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and which permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;

    (4) A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;

    (5) A centerfire pistol with an overall length of 12 inches or more; or

    (6) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.2

    An assault pistol does not include a firearm with a barrel 16 or more inches in length, or an antique, curio or relic.3

    As of July 1, 1992, no person shall bring or cause to be brought into Hawaii an assault pistol.4 Furthermore, as of July 1, 1992, no previously-owned assault pistol may be sold or transferred to anyone within Hawaii other than a state-licensed dealer or the chief of police of any county.5 A person that inherits an assault pistol registered within the state on or after July 1, 1992, has 90 days to render the weapon permanently inoperable, transfer the weapon to a licensed dealer or chief of police of any county, or remove the weapon from the state.6
     
  5. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    should I post all 50? :)
     
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    Here's an interesting one that cites federal law.

    So, now that we've gone leaps and bounds to define "assault weapon"...
     
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    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Thanks for posting those Soul.
    I've done it many times in the past, but it doesn't matter, all those laws are "arbitrary" anyway.
     
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    It is true that you have previously posted lists of guns on the ban-list. However that did nothing to bolster your claim that the AR-15 is an assault weapon. Since you virtually worship the legal authorities you cite, I would think that you would give the same reverence to those 43 states whose legal authorities have deemed the AR-15 legal. The consensus among lawmakers is clear--it's a legal rifle.

    You go along with the notion that the flash suppressor makes the AR-15 more deadly, even though there has never been anything to show that a flash suppressor increases its lethality. The same is true of the barrel shroud. You cannot produce one thing that shows that the barrel shroud increases the lethality of the AR-15. And then threre's your irrational fear of its pistol grip. You cannot produce one thing to show that it increases its lethality. So your rationale for wanting it banned is that it looks scary. And that same irrational reasoning is perfectly reflected in Hawaii's determination of what qualifies as an illegal assault weapon: "A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm." That's their way of saying that if it looks like an automatic rifle, then it is an automatic rifle.
     
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    What country do you live in?
     
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    I hit the 5 key instead of the 4 key. It was an accident, I swear.
     
  11. soulcompromise

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    i think that polling shows a vote for banning the ar-15 in the majority. could be wrong. the states that are not acting in earnest do not represent the voice of the people. We're still supposed to have a representative government and let's not forget that. What do you make of the polls?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Looks like 2013 was a fruitful year. About $15 million from gun rights advocates vs. the $2 or $3 million from gun control. I think I see the problem...
     
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    AR 15..."the Erector Set of firearms".

    AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle, the original manufacturer, they couldn't sell it because nobody wanted it.
    That company was sold to Colt in 1963 and Colt, through marketing, made it a hit.
    Colt's patent expired in 1970 and now there are many versions of the AR 15.
    AR 15 is now a generic name.

    Just banning the AR 15 would be just banning one version of the gun, the Armalite M-15 A4.
    Other types include, but aren't limited to, the Smith and Wesson M&P15, Anderson Arms AM14-M4, Daniel Defense M4 V1 LW, Rock River Arms LAR-15 Entry Tactical, Sig Sauer M400, Windham Armory R16M4FTT, etc.

    AR type weapons are legal in some states although they may have restrictions placed on them such as no flash suppressor, pistol grips of certain angles or length, telescoping stocks, forward grips, etc. Or they may need to have a bullet button which requires the use of an external tool to release the magazine for reloading.

    I have already posted many, many technical and scientific findings concerning rifle attachments, pistol grips, rate of fire, etc. over the years.
    Look up some past threads or do some research on barrel climb, cavitation, etc.
     
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    last one.. promise

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    You've failed to explain how a flash suppressor makes the AR-15 more deadly. You need to provide something--anything--to show that a flash suppressor increases its lethality. You've also failed to provide something--anything--to show that a barrel shroud increases its lethality. And it's the same case with your fear of the pistol grip. You've brought up the issue of barrel climb to justify your fear of pistol grips. But the AR-15 has very little recoil. But of course you're going to claim that a shooter would be less accurate without a pistol grip. Unfortunately, you haven't provided anything to support that claim either.
     
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    I expect it would be a short-lived celebration between when that happened and a whole new set of societal rules are imposed on you. I hope it doesn't happen. Pero hay otros países a donde algunos podemos escapar.

    Since you forgot, your original stance which I said I'd reversed is where your said people will pick up a gun and then decide they want to kill someone. Poppycock! They'll decide they want to kill sometime, then pick up a gun or whatever. That's the reverse. You even argue against your original proposition in your first paragraph here!

    It's not "a lot of people" born selfish and stuff-centered. It's everybody! Have you not raised kids? Parents jobs are to raise kids to fight that natural tendency and play well with others. You have to look out for everybody. It's those who haven't been looked after properly who you have to worry about. Are we analyzing the backgrounds of the perpetrators of these infamous mass shootings? If not, then why not? If so, then what are the findings? Abandoned by dads? Couldn't get along in school? Where's the breakdown of stats?

    I can't see "loopy" as any sort of criteria. As a percentage, I'd put my money on more people afraid of and uneducated about firearms being "loopy" than among those who own and use firearms.

    Great idea, if only you could find an impartial psychiatrist.

    Where's that hand-to-forehead icon?

    Check your local police register: are there more stabbings than shootings?

    Sure. Once we're all chipped and drug-cocktailed we'll be gentle sheep eager to comply to master's bidding.

    Really!!! A gathering place is vulnerable to locos when attendees are disallowed legal concealed carry.

    Don't mess with Texas, beotches!
    Finally some common sense "gun legislation"!

    A victory for freedom. You know, that precept they keep telling us, that it's a free country.

    Posting the lists/definitions is good info.
    Can't say the same about the poll data. Some polls have every Democrat candidate beating Trump in the 2020 general.

    There seems to be a flaw in that graph. My guess is they "accidently" got it reversed. Haven't at least half occurred in schools? Are they not all "gun-free zones"? Who returned fire in any of them? Am I missing a boatload of mass shootings which somehow didn't make the national news?
     
  20. I'm not saying gun owners in general are loopy, but these mass shooters are. One guy thought he was the Joker. All you really have to do is take a look at them, though.

    People do get guns and then decide they want to kill people. You're mistaken if you think it's always so premeditated. I'm not sure what the stats are, but I would wager that most of them aren't the proprietary owners of said guns. Or, if so, then what are we doing selling assault rifles to seventeen year-olds?!

    Anyhow, they find themselves within reach of a gun, and it inspires them to kill people in many cases. That may sound counterintuitive, but that's actually how things often work. Now, they may or may not have had previous thoughts of killing people, but it's the access that brings it all to fruition. They hate Jim Bob at school and happen to know there's an assault rifle hidden in mom's bedroom and one day it all just clicks.
     

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