Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

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  1. MeAgain

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    They didn't want a standing army, that's what armed well regulated militias were for, taking the place of a standing state or federal army.

    The armed citizenship wasn't to be well organized to overthrow a local, state, or federal government, it was to preserve those governments from dissolution from a tyrannical force without the need for a standing army.
    In 1787 Daniel Shays led "disorderly, riotous, and seditious persons".[15]Quote in an attempt to take over the Springfield, Massachusetts federal armory and overthrow the U.S. government.
    They were defeated by the Massachusetts state militia and a private local militia. These militias supported the government, they didn't attempt to overthrow it.

    In 1794 at Mingo Creek, near Pittsburgh, 600 men formed a militia, with bylaws, to seize a U.S. marshal sent to collect federal taxes and put him on trial by their own court.
    This led to a two day battle between federal troops who were protecting the home of John Neville who had supported the marshal, and the Mingo Creek militia.
    The militia burned the house to the ground. The militia men were considered to be treasonous.
    This led to 7,000 militia men threatening to burn Pittsburgh.
    Meanwhile Washington and Hamilton were preparing a federal army to put down the Mingo Creek militia. To do this he federalized four state militias using the 1792 Militia Act resulting in a force of 13,000 men to occupy Pittsburgh and the surrounding area.

    The Mingo Creek "militia" dissolved and fled into the wilderness.

    Well ordered militias were used to suppress rebellion against the government by mobs of unrecognized men claiming to be "proper" militias.
     
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    Oh, his family spoke for him. Well we know what that's worth, don't we?

    "After many conversations with him, we feel his intent was that he designed it as a military rifle,” his family said . . .

    I don't doubt that. He did design it as a military rifle. But the civilian version was introduced by Colt, and is not a military rifle because it doesn't function as one. If his family is as ignorant of the difference between style and function as others are, that doesn't change the facts.

    AR-15 Inventor Says HBO Grossly Distorted His Views On Guns

    The anti-gun HBO sports interview misrepresented much of what I had said. They were apparently trying to make the AR-15 civilian model seem too dangerous for civilian sales. They didn’t lie about what I said, they just omitted key parts, which changed the meaning.

    The examples I most object to are:

    (1) When I appear to say that the civilian-model AR-15 is just as effective or deadly as the military M16, they omitted that I had said “When firing semi-auto only” and that “the select fire M16 on full auto is of course more effective”

    (2) the interviewer pretended not to understand the relevance that, due to the Hague Convention, military bullets cannot be expanding hollow points like hunting bullets that give up all of their energy in the target body instead of passing through with minimum wound effect, with most of the energy still in the bullet and wasted.

    And of course we can't overlook Katie Couric's dishonest audio manipulation of her chat with some pro gun folks. At the link below, you can hear the audio of the actual conversation, and then a you tube showing the editing and omissions that leaves the viewers with a dishonest picture.

    Audio proof has emerged proving that pro-gun voices were edited —
    making respondents appear stumped or unsure —
    in Katie Couric’s gun control film, Under the Gun.

    Busted: Katie Couric Gun Control Film Manipulated Audio to Discredit Second Amendment Defenders | Breitbart
     
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    Enough said...
     
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    Are you honestly trying to say that Jim Sullivan was not interviewed, and that what he is quoted as saying about that interview is a dream? You're a rather gullible sort, aren't you?
     
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    Seems like one slanted source might counteract another slanted source.

    But that doesn't happen. Instead the right side coverage that exposes the obvious skewing is the messenger to be killed.

    The same thing happened with Zimmerman after he shot Trayvon. The 911 call was heavily edited (by NBC who claimed it was a "screw up") but to this day those edited parts are STILL held up as "the truth" because it fits a narrative that MUST be upheld by all means necessary.

    What's interesting is that Breitbart's reach is substantially greater today than when he was alive. It appears as though he was killed for nothing!
     
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  11. MeAgain

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    Yes, we have a pretty good idea that the family of one of the inventors of the M16 would know his views. I can tell you my father's views on civilians owning AR 15s. He can't understand why they're allowed or what they could possibly want them for.
    We all know the difference between the AR 15 and the M16.

    As the AR 15 is just another hunting rifle I assume you would have no trouble banning it as you can readily substitute something like a Remington 700 SPS Tactical.
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    Katie Couric's video used something called a dramatic pause. Very common in fiction, drama, public speaking, conversation, jokes, movies, and videos.
     
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    First of all, what Stoner's family believes about him doesn't change the fact that the AR-15 is not an automatic assault rifle. It's a semiautomatic rifle. The best you can hope for in your attempt to demonize it is to call it an assault style weapon, and hope that readers are ignorant of the difference between style and function. Secondly, the Stoner family is saying what they think he would think even though no one had used an AR-15 in a mass shooting until after his death. I provided Jim Sullivan's thoughts on the matter, and how he knows he was misrepresented in an interview.

    What your father doesn't understand is his problem, not mine.

    Katie Couric's manipulated video clearly shows her dishonest effort to make the pro gun rights people there look as if they were stumped. Even more dishonest is your attempt to call it something else. NPR is on record as saying that that kind of manipulation (and that's what it was) wouldn't pass muster under it's principals for fairness.

    Couric has since apologized:


    And it is because the AR-15 is just a rifle that I think you're hysterical in your campaign to ban it. Apparently you want me agree to banning it to prove to you that it's just a semiautomatic rifle. That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. I have zero urge to make you happy.

    You were right about one thing, though. We all know the difference between an AR-15 and an M-16. But then, how could we not?
     
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    No one ever said it was an automatic assault rifle.
    Many jurisdictions legally describe it as an assault weapon.
    All Stoner said was that they omitted saying that an M16 is more deadly in full auto mode. Duh.

    As a WWII vet, my father doesn't have a problem.

    Couric used a technique called a dramatic pause to make a point. Your link didn't show her apologizing anywhere I could find. NPR, who many on this site accuse of being bias, didn't like her presentation.
    So what does all this have to do with gun owners and mental illness?

    You may feel I'm being hysterical, again so what? I don't own an AR 15 or anything remotely like one in my gun collection. I could care less about them except they kill so many innocent people, or rather the gun doesn't, just those that use them.
    I have no problem with certain semi auto guns, used to own a few, again so what?

    ...And I'll repeat my question, if there's nothing special about an AR 15...why own one when a simple bolt action rifle is just fine for hunting or target shooting??
     
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    If it were an assault weapon like other assault weapons, it would have select-fire. But it doesn't. It's a semiautomatic rifle. You're just willing to bow to those particular authorities that have arbitrarily decided to call an assault STYLE weapon an ACTUAL assault weapon. And as I have already said, I am not opposed to a ban on large capacity magazines, which is your real problem with it.

    From Couric: As Executive Producer of “Under the Gun,” a documentary film that explores the epidemic of gun violence, I take responsibility for a decision that misrepresented an exchange I had with members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL). My question to the VCDL regarding the ability of convicted felons and those on the terror watch list to legally obtain a gun, was followed by an extended pause, making the participants appear to be speechless.

    Message from Katie | Under the Gun

    As for your claim that Couric used a technique called a dramatic pause to make a point, you are correct. And the point she made is that if you are in charge of editing, you can manipulate content to make it appear that the Virginia Citizens Defense League was dumbfounded when they really weren't. It's called dishonest bullshit.

    For those wondering what the deal is with Couric's dishonesty, go the link below and listen to the actual exchange between her and the Virginia Citizens Defense League, and then watch the you tube directly below it to see how she edits and manipulates it to make it appear that she stumped those people with her question about background checks.

    And what this has to do with mental illness is that your failure to see that manipulation for what it is has to be explained in some way. What else could we call it?

    Stoner said no such thing. You're thinking of Jim Sullivan who helped design the AR-15. And his exact words are: "The anti-gun HBO sports interview misrepresented much of what I had said. They were apparently trying to make the AR-15 civilian model seem too dangerous for civilian sales. They didn’t lie about what I said, they just omitted key parts, which changed the meaning." Hmm, that reminds me of someone else . . . oh yes, Katie Couric.

    He continued: "The examples I most object to are: 1) When I appear to say that the civilian-model AR-15 is just as effective or deadly as the military M16, they omitted that I had said “When firing semi-auto only” and that “the select fire M16 on full auto is of course more effective."

    What he was saying is that the AR-15 is just as deadly as the M-16 IF the M-16 is set on semiautomatic. And he is telling you that HBO omitted the "When firing semi-auto only" part of what he said. I have a feeling that the meaning of that is not as lost on you as you are making out.
     
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    You don't understand that the term assault weapon is a legal term. You're thinking of assault rifle. They're different.

    I could care less about Couric. I agree dramatic pauses are meant to be manipulative...that's why they're called dramatic. I don't really care if she's being manipulative, it's not like the NRA isn't manipulative.

    Yes, you're right I meant Sullivan, not Stoner. He objected to them saying the AR 15 is just as deadly as an M16 without mentioning the M16 is more deadly in full auto. So what? That doesn't mean the AR 15 is more deadly than most rifles the public can buy.

    Your argument seems be that some media presentations are biased. Yeah.....been that way since the country was founded...before even. So what?
     
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    No, he isn't gullible and I think the white supremacists want the second amendment to intimidate minorities.
     
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    Sure, an assault rifle is different from an assault weapon. And I'm sure you're ready to explain that difference. This should be interesting since legal terms in this case are arbitrary, meaning they are based on someone's insistence that any gun is an assault weapon even when it's not. So let's hear you (actually someone else) explain the difference.

    Yeah Couric was manipulative. And her manipulation was for the express purpose of creating a false impression of the people she was interviewing. And your answer to that is basically: Yeah, well the NRA is manipulative, too, so good for Couric. I'd give you the "two wrongs don't make a right" speech, but do I really have to?

    And yeah, Sullivan objected to being misrepresented by HBO. It was a lie by omission. And my argument is not that some media presentations are biased. It's that some media presentations are outright lies. There are lying liars, and there are the believing believers who believe them.
     
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    All laws are arbitrary, meaning they are based on someone's insistence that the law be enacted.
    As I've said the list varies depending on locality.
    Proposed 2019 fed list:
    AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.

    • R–10.
    • AR–15.
    • Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16.
    • Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.
    • Armalite M15–T.
    • Barrett REC7.
    • Beretta AR–70.
    • Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout.
    • Bushmaster ACR.
    • Bushmaster Carbon 15.
    • Bushmaster MOE series.
    • Bushmaster XM15.
      Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles.
    • Colt Match Target rifles.
    • CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles.
    • Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles
    • Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles.
    • Diamondback DB15 rifles.
    • DoubleStar AR rifles.
    • DPMS Tactical rifles.
    • DSA Inc. ZM–4 Carbine.
    • Heckler & Koch MR556.
    • High Standard HSA–15 rifles.
    • Jesse James Nomad AR–15 rifle.
    • Knight’s Armament SR–15.
    • Lancer L15 rifles.
    • MGI Hydra Series rifles.
    • Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles.
    • Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle.
    • Olympic Arms.
    • POF USA P415
    • Precision Firearms AR rifles.
    • Remington R–15 rifles.
    • Rhino Arms AR rifles.
    • Rock River Arms LAR–15.
    • Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles.
    • SKS with a detachable magazine.
    • Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles.
    • Stag Arms AR rifles.
    • Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR–556 rifles.
    • Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 rifles.
    • Windham Weaponry AR rifles.
    • WMD Guns Big Beast.
    • Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM–15 rifles
      • Barrett M107A1
      • Barrett M82A1
      • Beretta CX4 Storm
      • Calico Liberty Series
      • CETME Sporte
      • Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C
      • Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000
      • Feather Industries AT–9
      • Galil Model AR and Model ARM
      • Hi-Point Carbine
      • HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1, and HK USC
      • IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle.
      • Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.
      • SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551, and SIG MCX.
      • Springfield Armory SAR–48.
      • Steyr AUG.
      • Sturm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M–14/20CF.
      All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson TIB, Thompson T1BJ00D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C

      UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini, Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
      All AK-47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol; CZ Scorpion pistol; Draco AK–47 pistol; HCR AK–47 pistol.; IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol; Krinkov pistol; Mini Draco AK–47 pistol; PAP M92 pistol; Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

      All AR-15 Types, inducing: American Spirit AR–15 pistol; Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol; Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol GEN II; CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 Roscoe pistol.; Daniel Defense MK18 pistol; DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol; DPMS AR–15 pistol; Jesse James Nomad AR–15 pistol; Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol; Osprey Armament MK–18 pistol; POF USA AR pistols; Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 pistol.

      Random Pistols Listed:
      • Calico Liberty pistols.
      • DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.
      • Encom MP–9 and MP–45.
      • Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.
      • Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.
      • IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol.
      • Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.
      • Sig Sauer P556 pistol
      • Sites Spectre.
      The following MAC Types: MAC–10; MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11; Velocity Arms VMAC.

      All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA5100, Thompson TA5;

      All UZI types, including the Micro-UZI.

      BANNED SHOTGUNS:
      • DERYA Anakon MC–1980
      • Anakon SD12
      • Doruk Lethal shotguns
      • Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12
      • All IZHMASH Saiga types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12s EXP-01,IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12k-30, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika
      • Streetsweeper
      • Striker 12.
      All Belt-fed semiautomatic Firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW, M2HB, and FN M2495.

      If your firearms is not listed above, please keep in mind that this ban goes much farther than what’s listed above. According to language in the bill, even a .22lr rifle (that has a detachable magazine and a rail system) would be considered an illegal weapon.

      Firearm Accessories included in the “Assault Weapons Ban”
      • Firearms that accept “a detachable ammunition magazine and [have] one or more military characteristics including a pistol grip, a forward grip, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock.
      • Magazines would be banned if they “hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.”
      No shit.

     
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    No, arbitrary has nothing to do with laws being enacted. It has to do with someone deciding arbitrarily that something should be outlawed. But as I've already pointed out, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle . . . which reminds me that you were asked to explain the difference between an assault rifle and an assault weapon. So go ahead and do that.
     
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    Here's California's list:
    12276. As used in this chapter, “assault weapon” shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms: (a) All of the following specified rifles: (1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows: (A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S. (B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S. (C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47. (D) MAADI AK47 and ARM. (2) UZI and Galil. (3) Beretta AR-70. (4) CETME Sporter. (5) Colt AR-15 series. (6) Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C. (7) Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, FNC, 308 Match, and Sporter. (8) MAS 223. (9) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1. (10) The following MAC types: (A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11. (B) SWD Incorporated M11. (11) SKS with detachable magazine. (12) SIG AMT, PE-57, SG 550, and SG 551. (13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48. (14) Sterling MK-6. (15) Steyer AUG. (16) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78S. (17) Armalite AR-180. (18) Bushmaster Assault Rifle. (19) Calico M-900. (20) J&R ENG M-68. (21) Weaver Arms Nighthawk. (b) All of the following specified pistols: (1) UZI. (2) Encom MP-9 and MP-45. (3) The following MAC types: (A) RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11. (B) SWD Incorporated M-11. 3 4 4 (C) Advance Armament Inc. M-11. (D) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11. (4) Intratec TEC-9. (5) Sites Spectre. (6) Sterling MK-7. (7) Calico M-950. (8) Bushmaster Pistol. (c) All of the following specified shotguns: (1) Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12. (2) Striker 12. (3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12. (d) Any firearm declared by the court pursuant to Section 12276.5 to be an assault weapon that is specified as an assault weapon in a list promulgated pursuant to Section 12276.5.

    AK Series6 AK Series: AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 86S. Norinco 86S7, Colt AR-15 Series, Armalite AR-180, Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster Assault Rifle, Calico M-900, CETME Sporter, Daewoo K-1, Max 1, AR 110C, Daewoo K-2, Max 2, AR 100, Fabrique Nationale FAL, LAR, and 308 Match, Fabrique Nationale FNC and Sporter, Galil, HK-91 and HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, J&R ENG M-68, MAC Types, MAS 223, SAR 48, SIG AMT, SG 550 and SG 551, SKS with detachable magazine, Springfield Armory BM 59, Sterling MK-6, Steyr* AUG, Uzi, Valmet M62S, Valmet M71S, Valmet M78S, Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
    American Arms Kalashnikov USA Mitchell Arms, Inc. Ohio Ordnance WorksAK-Y 39 Hunter Rifle /Saiga AK-47 (all) (o.o.w.)AK-F 39 AK-47 Cal. 308 (all) AK-74AK-C 47 MAADI CO M-76 ROMAK 991AK-F 47 *AK47 RPK *ARM M-90 Poly TechnologiesArsenal MISR (all) *AKS SLR (all) MISTR (all) Norinco *AK47 SLG (all) AK-47 (all) Made in China Hunter Rifle ValmetB-West *AK NHM 90, 90-2, 91 Sport Hunter RifleAK-47 (all) *AKM RPK Rifle 76 S Hesse Arms Model 47 (all) Wieger STG 940 Rifle Inter Ordnance - Monroe, NC AK-47 (all) RPK M-97 *AKS *AK47 *56 *56S *84S *86S MARS Pistol *56 *56 S 81 S (all) *84 S 86 (all) *86 S MAK 90 WUM WUM (all).
    American Spirit ASA Model Armalite AR 10 (all) M15 (all) Golden Eagle Bushmaster XM15 (all) Colt *AR-15 (all) Sporter (all) Match Target (all) Law Enforcement (6920) Dalphon B.F.D. DPMS Panther (all) Eagle Arms M15 (all) EA-15 A2 H-BAR EA-15 E1 Frankford Arsenal AR-15 (all) Hesse Arms HAR 15A2 (all) Knights SR-15 (all) SR-25 (all) RAS (all) Les Baer Ultimate AR (all) Olympic Arms AR-15 Car-97 PCR (all) Ordnance, Inc. AR-15 Palmetto SGA (all) Professional Ordnance, Inc. Carbon 15 Rifle Carbon 15 Pistol PWA All Models Rock River Arms, Inc. Standard A-2 Car A2 Standard A-4 Flattop Car A4 Flattop NM A2 - DCM Legal LE Tactical Carbine Wilson Combat AR-15
    Bushmaster Pistol, Calico M-950, Encom MP-9 and MP-45, Intratec TEC-9, MAC Types, Sites Spectre, Sterling MK-7, Uzi.
    Franchi Law 12, Franchi SPAS 12, The Streetsweeper Type S/S Inc., Striker 12.
     
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    I already did...go back and reread. Assault weapons are any weapons deemed inappropriate for civilian use by law and the requirements for that assignment vary by locality. Assault rifles are bought and used by the military (they are generally not available to civilians) and have semi, auto, and burst modes of fire....here is the Wikipedia entry since you can't seem to find it:
    Note that many localities also define certain pistols and shotguns as assault weapons, as shown on the lists I provided.
     
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    What are you trying to do, burn up space? You can just post a link. We all know how to click onto those.

    But back to me point: Contrary to what you believe arbitrary has nothing to do with laws being enacted. It has to do with someone deciding arbitrarily that something should be outlawed. But as I've already pointed out, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle . . . which reminds me that you were asked to explain the difference between an assault rifle and an assault weapon. So go ahead and do that.
     
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    There is no arbitrary assignment as you like to present it. No one puts the names of guns in a hat and draws them out to decide what needs to be banned.
     
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    I often post links and no one looks at them. I provided the list so that no one can say I haven't looked at it, that I don't know whats on it and I know that it has been seen.
     
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    Uh huh, and all you've said here is that calling the civilian version of the AR-15 an assault weapon is the result of someone's insistence that any gun is an assault weapon even when it's not. The fact that different localities differ in their opinions just goes to show that it is indeed an arbitrary decision based on someone's desire to demonize the AR-15.
     
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