Trump is a modern-day Joseph Goebbels

"Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism"

Adolf Hitler (translated)
August 15, 1920 at the Hofbräuhaus, Munich


"Why We Are Antisemites" - Text of Adolf Hitler's 1920 speech at the Hofbräuhaus | Carolyn Yeager

I'll go with history instead of some Vox opinion piece

PS: There are a bucketload more socialism and anti-capitalism rants from Hitler

 

Yes I've already covered this, he was willing to embrace socialism as an economic policy because it was popular at the time and he knew it would garner support (and it did make Germany's economy strong, which is one reason Hitler was so successful in gathering support of the German people, because he presided over an economically prosperous country).

But politically he was a fascist and a nationalist, which are far right ideologies.

 

Using your logic logic, the Khmer Rouge was a democracy. It said so right in the name.

Democratic Kampuchea.

And China is a healthy People's Republic.

Hitler purged the leftist as soon as he had any power.

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

 

I'm familiar with this sermon, it's a classic example of political pandering. Others used it as well including George Wallace, Lyndon Johnson, Ronald Reagan and Bush 1.

In this case Hitler was pandering to the actual socialists, not the Democratic Socialists. It was a way to placate them so his movement could gain traction. He needed all the loyalists he could muster since even then his plan was to take over the government. And he knew how after being a government spy and infiltrating the German Worker's Party. Which he handily took over. Germany was in a horrible depression, though not across the population. The wealthy were doing just fine on loans from the US which they laundered with public works projects that were always over budget. They were also using US loans to repay war reparations to countries who were then using the money to pay off loans to the US.

Hitler saw through all of it somehow. But he wasn't planning to stop it, he just saw a way to inject himself into the middle of all that money. By taking over the whole country.

His ambition was bigger than his intellect which became clear in 1923 when his "Beer Hall Putsch" failed miserably. Not only did he fail to overthrow Bavaria's government, he got a friend killed, who pulled Hitler down as he died, blocking more bullets from hitting Hitler. Hitler ran, hid and was arrested and sent to prison. Where he wrote Mein Kampf (the book Rosie the Riveter is standing on).

So far, I don't see as many parallels to Trump. Except for the pandering. He's really good at that. But he's also very good at luring the democrats into impossible traps where they come out yelling "racist" because they have to distract from the humiliation as fast as possible.

 

The argument this time is did the Nazi party have its roots in Socialism 1919 to 1923, the answer is yes

1933 onwards he went full Meglomaniac

After he was sent to prison for the failed coup in 1923 he started to become an attention whore. And before that he was obviously racist

But the coup in 1923 was all about german people get screwed over by the debt from WW2, it was alongside members of the imperial military and other socialists. It was all about socialism

No one is authoritarian until given the chance to do so. Translate it to 2019, and you wouldnt know if antifa would end up fascists until after they were given power, they themselves wouldnt know

Fascism, Socialism, Racism; these arent mutually exclusive concepts, no matter how many dictionary definitions or opinion pieces you pull, not everybody is going to agree

Its not like these guys ever start straight into fascism, it always starts off with unionism, socialism, communism

I would even make the argument that outside imperialism, you'd be hard pressed to find a leader that went on to be dictator that started off telling people they should work to make rich people richer

 

The Democratic refers to Democratic Socialism, not Democracy

 

And around and around we go. This question has come up before, several times on different threads. No doubt it will come up again. And again. And again. Here are a dozen articles that , I think, do an excellent job in a way that should put the issue to bed, but it won't, because rightwing propagandists are too tempted to use superficial similarities and labels to try to confuse the public.
Were the Nazis Socialists?
Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?
Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer
Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history
Hitler was not a socialist, even if he did stash champagne
Nazis aren't socialists nor Democrats, no matter what the alt-right may say
Captain Capitalism: Were the Nazi's (the National SOCIALISTS) Socialist?
Hitler and socialism - RationalWiki
Debunking The “Nazis Were Leftists” Lie « shoqvalue.com
Don’t ever call Hitler a socialist
The Aquarian Agrarian: Debunking the Top Six Claims That the Nazis Were Socialists
Adolf Hitler was not a socialist

 

Sometimes a two by four helps me explain things to men who are slow to absorb clear information.

 

Damn that Bernie Sanders!

 

My original statement was "The Nazis came from the left though in post WW1 Germany, not the right"

Post WWI being 1919

Were they socialists in 1939....No

Were they socialists in 1933 when Hitler became Chancellor, well at the time he said they took the best ideas from both sides...so a liitle bit

What about 1919 to 1923? Its was a workers party, thats all you have to say. Doesnt matter if it was all a giant deception by Hitler, its still started as a socialist workers party, thats how he started to gain influence

You could throw a 100 links to articles written by revisionist lefties refering to the Nazis in the 1930s and 40s, wont matter, started as a socialist workers party in the early 1920s


Jinping Xi, would you call him a fascist or dictator now?
China has concentration camps now, a couple years ago he declared himself leader for life ( maybe the party voted for that, or they all just voted yes because they were scared of disappearing). Maybe not killing enough of his own people now to be called another term. Safe bet there are at least a couple dozen people a year dying prematurely in those Uighur camps.

But If, and its an If, in 10 years time he does start annexing other countries, and exterminating millions....

At what point does he become a fascist? When he was at University in the 80s, how about 2016?

Or is it only once he kills millions, does something really bad do we try to shift away from terms that point to the left side of politics and say dictator, fascist, totalitarian

Which is what the argument always sounds like from the left

 

Well I was trying to say that Trump is a master propagandist like Goebbels was, rather than making a direct comparison to Hitler.

 

This one about nuking Hurricanes is a classic example

Assuming he even said it in the first place. Made sure he didnt say it on camera of course. With no direct video to back it up, just makes the media look silly, damages their credibility.

If he never said it, the media does have something to answer for.

If he did say it, but not in public, the media keep falling for it

And they'd be able to work out pretty quickly and easily who the leak is (our mistery "unamed source")

 

Just one more time, could someone explain to me how when he flat out says “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” He is still labelled as racist for his comments re: Charlottesville

That would be great, thanks

 

Yea, but linking Trump to Hitler is more popular these days. Goebbels is too complicated, often confused with Goring or Himmler. Hitler is a home run!!!!

 

It was an edit. They know what they did.

 

A two by four table or a board upside the head?

 

No, it's the righties who are the revisionists.

I'd call him a Commie totalitarian. Stalin followed a similar ideology, had gulags, and annexed plenty of other countries. Mao annexed Tibet and exterminated far more millions than the Nazis. At no point would we call either of these totalitarian monsters fascists, because they were Commies, which is as bad or worse, in my opinion. They followed an ideology emphasizing class warfare, economic determinism, and at least nominally, internationalism. They became Communist at the point they joined the Communist Party and embraced Marxism-Leninism" , or "scientific socialism".(aka, dialectical materialism).

Fascism, properly so called, is not a synonym for really bad dictatorship. It's a distinctive kind of totalitarian movement resembling the system developed by Mussolini and copied by Hitler, emphasizing nationalism. By using the term "fascism" for virtually any limitation of personal liberty or over-reach by government, we rob the term of important distinctions that give the term analytical utility. Fascism designated a unique, political system based on six elements: Fascism=Populism+Nativism+Nationalism+Scapegoating+Leadership Principle+Statism. Fascism is populist in gearing its messaging to the little guy who feels left out of the distribution of wealth, status and power in society. It is nativist in being against foreign influence and immigration, It is nationalist in stressing national glory and superiority (for Mussolini, restoring the glory of the Roman Empire; for Hitler, fulfilling the destiny of the Aryan Master Race embodied in the three Reichs), from the Holy Roman Empire to the Third Reich.. It scapegoats out-groups (for Mussolini, socialists and communists, who were beaten up by his blackshirts; for Hitler, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, who were beaten up by his brownshirts). as the source of society's evils Unlike Communism, which purports to be based on a socio-political and economic system and a scientific understanding of history, it puts it's faith primarily in a Leader (IL Duce, for Mussolini's followers; Der Furher, for Hitler's). And it advocates Statism, in which the government is given totalitarian control over people's lives.(So does Communism; the two systems have that in common). The danger signs for Fascism are more evident in Trump's America than Xi's China, although I think Putin fits the pattern--making the transition from Commie to Fascist.

I think it's misleading to make a big deal about origins. From a practical standpoint, the important thing is not what they were at the outset, but what they became. The term "Left" and "Right" originated from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly in 1789, when supporters of the monarchy sat to the right of the president and opponents sat on the left. Later it came to refer to supporters of a wealthy, privileged Establishment (Right) versus their opponents (Left). The National Socialist German Workers Party founded by Drexler in 1919-20, was, as the name suggests, a labor party differing from the Socialist Party in its nationalist (as opposed to internationalist) emphasis. Hitler joined in 1920 and with the aid of the Strasser brothers from the right-wing paramilitary Freikorps, infused it with a racist, anti-Semitic ideology which fit well with an anti-capitalist orientation. But in the late 20s and after, Hitler was able to attract support from wealthy industrialists by presenting himself as their savior from Socialism and Communism. This drove the party to the right, as you mention.

 

You're making him sound more like a propoganda minister...