Gun ownership itself is a slight mental illness

Yeah you lose credibility when you say stuff like that hey bro. Hunting people isn't mentally healthy. Even joking about it... Probably speaks volumes tbh.

 

I mean, I'd cook and eat them too.

 

I just read the US government is considering putting a tax on violent video games to prevent school shooting. Took em a while to realise they can now profit from mass shootings.

 

Makes sense. I throw barrels at every plumber I see.

 

nobody said anything about hunting people, maybe a deer or two

you been watching TV again haven't you?

 

HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING TV AGAIN?!

 

I have to wonder about his family life.

Usually, going on a mass killing spree isn't the first indication that someone should see a doctor.

I wonder if anybody paid attention to him at home.

 

So, back on topic...

If some drug crazed, drunk thug with a brain tumor is charging at me from across the room yelling that she's going to throw me aside, kill my husband with a ball peen hammer to the skull ... and that then she's going to rape my puppy with the handle of a rake, who here thinks I'd be mentally ill to shoot her before she made it across the room?

 

That's a very specific example.

Always protect yourself. Hopefully before it gets to that point...

 

I actually know someone whose 80 year old grandmother was killed with a ball peen hammer one night when she came home from church.

 

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WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS ALREADY WITH YOU MANY TIMES

Here is an old post that even then had covered the subject

6 back then said -

This has been already covered in detail a number of times.

Single parent rates according to the OECD in 2014

UK – 26%

Denmark – 23%

US – 23%

If there is a definite link between crime rates then that should be reflected in homicide rates so the UK homicide rates should be larger than the US and the American rates should be on a par with Denmark’s.

Homicide per 100,000 –

US – 5.00

UK - 0.92

Denmark – 0.99

Now here it should be noted that the UK and Denmark have more generous welfare systems than the US and both have universal healthcare.

Now according to the 2016 US census - Two-thirds of American single parent households are white, 1/3 are African-American and 1/4 are Hispanic. One-third have a college degree and 1/6 have not completed high school.

Once again I would point out that you are thinking in too a simplistic way to just to say ‘single parentage’ is the problem is not to see the complexity of the issues involved to blame crime rates just on the supposed ill effects of single parentage especially when bringing race into it is to ignore other evidence that seem to contradict your conclusions.

There are socio-economic influences involved which can lessen or harden the effects of single parentage. It is going to affect different groups differently depending on support structure and circumstance. The more advantaged are going to feel the effects of single parentage much less than those who are disadvantaged, the burden of single parentage is going to be less for the disadvantaged in places with well-funded Social Services and welfare systems.

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Do you know what is diffrent between the UK Denmark and the US - well the US is the only one that allows people to have really easy access to guns and even the military grade weapons.

 

Selling products (here guns) through adverts that push fear and paranoia is an old trick of marketing firms

 

Oh and more fucking silly slogans

Criminals prefer unarmed victims

Dictators prefer unarmed citizens

It’s not guns that are the problem its mental illness

This is basically lying – all of the pro- gun lobby know that none of these arguments stand up well to scrutiny and they know that they will run away from them when it becomes obvious the arguments are crap – but it’s a con game - that I’ve seen in one gun thread after another – they repeat the same lies and it snarls up the thread for a few pages as their slogan argument falls apart and then they squeeze out another lying turd slogan and smear it on another post and it all repeats itself

 

Fear and paranoia, in many cases the victims of crime never see the criminal.

But if true think about that – if that was the case would you want a society where criminals can get very easy access to the deadliest weapons or one where it was hard for the criminally minded to get hold of very deadly weapon?

Oh and don’t bring up the ‘Murderous Americans’ theory it doesn’t stand up either.

A repeat of the Hitler slogan above -

The thing is if you are owning a gun to defend your country against political domestic threats then when do you open fire on police officers, when do you execute your political opponents, when do you begin killing the ‘enemy’.

I mean if someone is saying that the main or one of the main reasons why they want guns is to protect the US from political tyranny, when do they act when do you begin and who would they use their guns on first?

I mean if someone really thought the US was been taken over or invaded by ‘bad people’….or if they though certain politicians or journalists were truly ‘enemies of the people’, then under the banner of defending the country with their gun against such threats - then wouldn’t they be right to act and use their guns?

In modern states the US is not unique in having citizens with mental health problems but it is in regards to ease of access to guns.

And if you truly wished to tackle mental health then you would campaign for universal healthcare and a well-funded social service and welfare system but they are the very things that are rejected by the right wingers that are so often part of the gun lobby.

 

Another silly slogan

So you would have to carry the gun around with you at all times and in all situations and have it ready to use while treating everyone around you as a potential threat – otherwise that slogan is just plain silly.

In fact you can’t know it will be of any use ‘if needed’ if not out and in hand and targeting anyone around you.

But it begs the question why are you so frightened and paranoid that you think you are going to be attacked any second in any place anywhere?

I don’t feel I need to carry an extremely dangerous weapon around with me at all times – why do you?

In fact it would make me more fearful of someone who showed such levels of fear and paranoia that they felt they needed to be armed at all times, if that happened in the UK people are advised to call the police and/or social services.

 

Have you ever considered people might feel differently to you?

All this..

I don't need this
I don't think that
I think this

Yeah that's great... For you... But other people aren't you.

Mind = blown.

I mean it's fascinating stuff, how people are different, ay. Seems to shit a lot of folks though. Seems to allude just as many too.

 

It's awesome for Balbus that he doesn't live in the U.S. and argues all this just for the sake of arguing.

My hubby loves to argue too.

Maybe I should hook him and Balbus up for some fun arguing time they obviously need.

With hubby, I think it's because he isn't physically able to do much anymore but still feels the need to exert some effort at something that resembles testosterone-driven behavior.

 

I live in the US and I agree with Balbus. His approach could maybe be less abrasive (I dont mind it personally but get it's off putting to others) but what he says still rings true to me.
And I think it's good to have an outside perspective because America's gun culture is a bit crazy but it's hard to see things as crazy when you're in the midst of it