They ARE concentration camps

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Sounds like the jobs were given by fellow americans.

 

But pretty much every photo of the caravans I have seen, 80% are males 15-40



2/3 of them overweight, carrying suitcases, all well clothed and yes, most of them do seem to have reasonably good shoes.

Compare this to shots of Syrian or Congonese refugees, who are actually escaping exploding missiles

Curiously their seems to be zero photographic evidence straight after leaving US detention.

But there are plenty of photos of the caravans on the march up.

Photos are right there, I can post another dozen if you want. Where are all them women and children? See if you can find one shot with at least 100 people that isnt mostly abled bodied men.

We are supposed to look at these photos then swallow bullshit that they are doing it just as tough as refigees fleeing war, caravans are not mostly able bodied men and most of them arent wearing nike ripoffs.

The evidence is right in front of your face

And add the usual, this has been going on for four decades, why is it when Trump takes office IS it now a big deal

 

I'm going to ask again- if there is a labor shortage in blue collar jobs and, as you and others have claimed, plenty of American citizens to fill these jobs, then why is there a shortage?

Also want to make the point most people gloss over when it comes to hiring illegal immigrants -
Who is the real criminal, the immigrant who wants to make some money to support their family?
Or the business owner who exploits this cheap pool of labor to save a few dollars and creates a demand for illegal immigrants in the process?

What do you think the punishment should be for businesses who source their labor from this pool of cheap, illegal labor?

Why do you suppose illegal immigrants are scapegoated rather than the businesses who exploit them for cheap labor?

 

Where? Circle the Nikes and name brand shoes in that picture because I dont see any. and then explain how you think they can afford them and prove they were bought with their own money rather than provided by charitable people, and also explain what you think the conspiracy is here because y'all keep circling around this issue and I'm not sure what anyone is suggesting. That a bunch of rich Hondurans with a vast collection of some of the most ballin' shoes are just traveling to the US for fun and to get one over on all of us? Spell it out, what do you think their shoes mean and what proof do you have.
And once you prove whatever conspiracy you're pushing, explain why it matters what shoes they're wearing.
Fleeing violence and gang warfare is not the same as fleeing for economic reasons. You're assuming they should all be poor. I've seen and read interviews with mothers who fled because the gangs were trying to get their kids to join or wanted their kids dead. They gave no indication they were fleeing because they were too poor to afford nice shoes.

Also, provide statistical evidence showing that asylum seekers are 80% male and 20% female/children. Real evidence, a blurry snapshot of a small group of migrants isnt going to cut it.

 

Congolese refugees in comparison;

Many women and children, inferior quality footwear

 

Because look, I have pictures too



100% women and children.
Still no Nike swoops

 

And another point
Why cant men seek asylum
I always hear this argument. Some of our members here made the same point about refugees fleeing from war torn middle eastern countries a while back

Why should men be expected to sacrifice themselves to a war they dont want to fight or a gang they dont want to belong to?
Men have just as much of a right as women to do what is best for their safety and livelihood

 

Here they are!

 

I think what VG and others are implying is that these aren't people we should pity, but rather, it's okay that they and their children are in concentration camps, because they're wearing clean shoes.

 

I see quality footwear everywhere, definite Nike ripoffs with the one on the back of the truck

 

Clearly they're all fine, then.

 

LOL, I can see why none of you actually bothered posting any stats


11,000 pounds of cocaine

Yes, 3 times as many males as females

Yes only seemingly a mere 5% that are accompanied juveniles

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/USBP Stats FY2015 sector profile.pdf

And this is 2015, probably double the amount if cocaine this year

 

Stats and Summaries | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

 

And what does that mean, apprehended. I assume you can provide more context to what you're linking.
Is that referring to illegal immigrants or legal asylum seekers
And do you even understand the difference, I should probably ask that first, it's clear many in this thread dont know the difference.
Because it sounded like you were making the claim that too many men are claiming asylum (which is a silly argument anyways)
But I'm not sure that your link is referring to asylum seekers.

 

Because some US citizens find comfort living on government assistance, or in Mom’s basement. Rather than working a low paying job and working their way up in life.

Both are the criminals. In the situation of an illegal trying to help his family survive with shitty pay, then I’d say it’s the employer who’s the greater villain. There’s a legal process to go through. Giving border jumpers a free pass is a slap in the face to those who did it the legal way. Sometimes you have to find out why the illegal immigrant chose to come over illegally; are they a wanted criminal in their home country and escaping the law? Or is there a different reason?

I’m not a legal expert to determine a decent penalty. But businesses caught exploiting illegal labor should be heavily fined at the very least. I’d recommend harder punishments though.

Curious, what makes you say that one is scapegoated more than the other? If that’s the case, then it’s probably because the businesses have ties with media who’ll protect their good name via weaponized journalism.

 

You are not sure if my link to the US customs and border protection site refers to asylum seekers?

Thread is 30 pages long, this is why you, lode, okiefreak had never provided any stats

Because they say the exact opposite of what is being told in the lefty media

 

And are these the people who's jobs are taken?

Uhm... because of threads and discussions like these.

 

I've provided detention stats. The gender of the migrants was never discussed, except for you, on this last page, asking for photo evidence that there were women.

Your point is that we shouldn't empathize if we're detaining more men?

CBP apprehension stats couldn't provide a full picture of if it was your point. As we've discussed on the wall thread, half of undocumented migrants arrive with legal tourism visas and overstay.

Trump's border wall would stop less than half of illegal immigration in the U.S.

 

No, the link to the page referring to the gender of those "apprehended"


Is that particular set of stats, not the broad link you posted afterwards, but that particular set of stats, referring to asylum seekers or those apprehended for illegal crossing?

You're the one making the claim that 80% of asylum seekers are male so it shouldn't be a hard question to answer.
It's okay to admit you dont know.

 

But...you said there were Americans who would work these jobs?

So which is it, are there hard working Americans to fill the shortage in blue collar work, or are Americans too lazy to do these sort of jobs?