Is Nationalism A Good Thing?

Okay, true. My difference is that I don't feel investment in "other" nations is so much different than investment in "my" nation. We invest in our planet, together.

 

I tend to agree.
It's like when, in terms of helping immigrants or sending aid to other nations, people often say "why don't we take care of our own first?"
But I see little difference in the suffering of my countrymen and the suffering of someone from another nation. A person is a person.

 

On environmental issues i agree. It should be like that. But I think a certain amount of nationalistic individuals might too.

It's very normal to care more about people you know or feel affiliated with than about people on the other side of the world you never saw except on tv, where you (well not you apparently, but a lot of other folks) think something like 'i don't get them or their ways, better care about shit i know something about and know i can make a difference'. It often doesn't mean complete apathy either.

 

Nationalism caused World War I and World War II.

So no, it is not a good thing.

 

It was one (important) factor. Alliances were another. Therefor alliances can't be good things.

 

there are literally thousands of programs in United States to help everybody they're not going to come to your door and serve you you have to seek them out. so usually ones that are bitching about they're not helping me , didn't ask for help..

 

Pretty sure WW1 started from an assassination, but sure, let's rewrite some history.

WW2 actually started several years earlier but in Spain, Hitler decided to see how his new units would stack up later during the war when they would roll into Poland, purposely drawing France North East and suddenly out of the equation.

Change my mind.

 

My criticism was more about people who are bothered by those who care about things happening to people from far away lands. I don't really care what people concern themselves with, there are a multitude of problems in the world and we can only do so much. Just don't criticize those who do feel empathy for people unlike them or people who live elsewhere

It's such a weird thing, like..
Person 1: I donated to (insert name of overseas charity) or I'm fostering an an immigrant child
Person 2: we need to take care of our own first! We have homeless vets and Americans in foster care etc etc
Like...you wouldn't think people would find criticism in doing something, anything to make this world a brighter place but they somehow do.
Anyways that's just a small element of nationalism that I don't care for

 

I got in an argument with my college friends who had Che Guevara posters in their dorm rooms. They were admitted flag burners who thought America was evil, thought open borders were a good idea, and that we should all see ourselves as citizens of Planet Earth. Rather than citizens of land masses made up of political boundaries.

They said it would be a good futuristic idea to form space stations for people with different ideas to inhabit. How cool it would be for the socialists to have their own space station, all the libertarians to have their own space station, and all other people with different ideological backgrounds to have their own space station as well. I told them, "We already have that system here on Earth. They are called 'countries,' and they are run by various cultures with different ideologies of politics and religion. Why bring an existing system up into space?" They had nothing to say.

 

I don't know how burning flags means much. You just burned some cheap cloth. Well done.

 

Nationalism and globalism are both things I do not fuck with.

 

If you stopped nationalism, wouldn't it just become globalism? Not that I really know what globalism means.

 

Nationalism is a lot like racism in that when a person doesn't have much else going for them, they can be proud of their country or race. And about Merle Haggard, well he did serve his country..., in San Quinton.

 

Booze

And trans-national institutions can do the same thing

The UK is made up of three nations – Wales, Scotland and England.

There are four national groups making up Spain - Castilian, Basque, Catalan and Galician.

The Netherlands is made up of four lands Belgium has three official languages and the north mainly speak French speakers and the south Walloon north two groups that speak different languages

The United States is made up of 50 states (the last only joined in 1959)

The European Union is made up of 28 countries.

So in a football match between the national teams of Scotland and England are you cheering on Britain?

What about in a football match between Liverpool and Spurs are the Liverpudlians and Londoners been anti-nationalist for cheering on differing parts of the nation?

Nationalism is not a form of government – again you clearly have little knowledge of political thought have you done any study into this subject?

That makes no sense what so ever – first there is anarchy and Anarchy one is a form of government and one not, and you could have several forms of central global government its desirability or not would presumably depend on that.

You would need to explain why that wasn’t desirable

But even within one ‘nation’ there are going to be differing views as to what is best for the country and many are likely to have differing ideal and what is dear to them.

Are people to be forced to have only one view?

I love my country and the people living here I also love the planet and the people living on it and if people think the same then globalism might be a better goal than nationalism.

 

Booze

The problem with ‘nations’ is that they are fictions, they are not in a sense ‘natural’ at the base level the ‘natural’ level we are all human beings and there is less genetic diversity between us than many other species, including our nearest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee.

Everything after that is a human construction such as language, there are only 135 language families in the world of which the two biggest are the Indo-European (of which English is just one example) and the Sino-Tibetan.

There have been multiple migrations and states, empires and nations have come and gone been created and disappeared

Someone might say they are ‘British’ but what does that mean? What makes a human being into a British person at birth and how does that make them so much different than someone born in France or Germany? If it is purely about geography then there is no real substantial difference, is it language well again that can be geography same with culture and as said there might be differing cultures and languages within on ‘nation’.

So what is nationalism?

And since we are all humans why not globalism?

 

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I think you are making this up – I’ve notice you do have a tendency to suddenly have some ‘story’ that just happens to fit in with what you are trying to push at any one time.

Oh yeah these, flag burning, Che Guevara loving US hating people (boo) had this totally bizarre and strange idea that you (cheer) were able to destroy with just one sentence.

Oh right….

Anyway you seem to be saying everyone in a country should just believe in one thing (as in the space stations)? That a nation should only have one ideology and one religion and not allow any other views?

As I’ve pointed out nations are usually made up of people that have many differing views, a mix of left wingers and right wingers of differing hues, with differing cultures and religion etc.

I mean that is one thing about nationalist there does seem to be this tendency to see things as homogenous, one nation, one people, one culture and argue against multiculturalism and diversity and so forth – personally I like diversity.

 

Only to uneducated, ignorant, poor white trash racists and bigots that think without different ethnicities they would some how be elevated above the level of whale dung. My kind of nationalism is the 72 different ethnicities we have here in Bal Harbour. All Americans, all one nation, and community, and all getting along just fine.

 

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