Brexit

I’m not fighting a war and never claimed my country was perfect. And that’s a pretty weak fallacy. Not to imply there are strong fallacies.

I mean your position is so weak that instead of addressing anything I actually wrote, you resorted to ad hominem amongst other things. Sad.

 

I was making a comparison that's all No one was Attacking you ?? so you would be happy for argentina mexico Chile cuba having a say in your laws ? You live here you get to vote on it That's what I did
I also am not Fighting any wars But you are the one that brought it up not me

 

Ok you’re clearly brain damaged.

 

"Brain Damaged" That's Not Nice Coming from Someone Who (Never mind ) Lets Keep it civil Eh

 

Just saying I thought English was your first language.

Maybe you’re a Turing Test bot?

 

Try to stop being a Prick !
Didn't you like My Question or Summat ?

 

This is the biggest joke of the lot
Take a look at the map !



What makes that a victory for remain ? Oh yeah London is full of EU Immigrants and they got to vote !! Scotland voted for your beloved Nationalization !! Britain voted Brexit
Don't say "take a bow britain " Its fuck all to do with the people here

 

Well it went as I thought

The Brexit Party sucked in virtually all the leave votes while the remain votes were spread over several political groups.

But if you look at in terms of Leave or Remain – the remainers won easily

Remain - 40.4%
Leave - 34.9%

And if you think about it the situation might even be worse for the leavers, I meant at least one labour voter who is remain but voted Labour Party out of party loyalty (who would vote remain in a peoples vote). And given the vote I can’t think that the ones that voted Conservative must have not been the pro-Brexit ones otherwise they would have gone for the Brexit. It’s difficult to say.

I mean it was clear cut on the Brexit side but much more confusing on the remain side as to who to vote for but in a people vote, well just look to polling cited by Mal that predicted at in a people vote the split would be -

Remain 55%

Leave - 38%

 

Mal

As I said the position might be a lot worse for the leavers with many that voted for the Labour Party voting remain in a peoples vote. As the poll you cited putting at –

Remain 55%
Leave - 38%

Also Scotland is part of the UK and voted remain

Northern Ireland which is also part of the UK voted in three MEP’s two of which are pro-remain (the big surge was for the pro-remain Alliance party).

Honestly you think the majority of people in London are EU immigrants?

I agree a lot of people are voting for Brexit, the question I keep asking is why?

I mean look at this thread even when asked directly to explain why they want Brexit, the people that want to leave seem unable to explain why in any coherent or rational way.

Also it often seems they are ill informed on the issues or lack the background knowledge on the subject I’m sorry to say that many don’t even seem to have given it even much thought and just accept the leaver propaganda without question.

 

And then Back to the same old shit Ill informed Lack of Knowledge Bla Bla Bla

The concerns of the leave voters you just try to brush away as irrelevant or nonsense , But you whine and moan about loosing the vote like its the end of the world !! Ever wonder why people get fed up of telling you why ??
tonight I am joining that group

 

Nice one Mal.
But now of course you can expect to be hounded and pestered with endless useless questions just as I was about that decision.
If i were you, best do as i do and just simply ignore them.

 

Mal

What concerns – can you please explain what is concerning you without resorting to slogans?

But the problem is that leave only ‘won’ because those wanting it lied and some people fell for those lies.

Being proud of such a ‘win’ is like been proud of a medal you received for doing a half-marathon when you know you did 12 miles of it in an Uber

I don’t think you realise that even a soft Brexit will have a detrimental impact on the country, a generational impact.

But the thing is that they don’t seem able or willing to explain why and/or seem woefully ill informed as to why.

 

Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party takes the LEAD!
NIGEL FARAGE’s Brexit Party has topped a general election voting poll!
By MILLIE BULL
PUBLISHED: 08:31, Mon, Jun 3, 2019 | UPDATED: 08:54, Mon, Jun 3, 2019


Brexit: Farage makes election promise if deadline ignored

In todays latest opinion poll.
Good news! :

Mr Farage’s party was the most popular party garnering an impressive 26 percent of the votes which puts it ahead of Labour’s 22 percent.
The Opinium poll asked voters how they would cast their ballots at the next Westminster election. The Tories are trailing in third place with just 17 percent of the votes.

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The Lib Dems are following closely behind on 16 percent and the Greens are on 11 percent according to the poll carried out for The Observer.

The results suggest eurosceptics will not abandon Mr Farage’s party at a general election after his triumphant victory in last week’s European elections.

The Brexit Party has managed to increase its backing by two points since the last Opinium survey two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, Labour and the Tories have seen their support plummet by seven and five points respectively.

 

Thing is I know that the Brexit party is popular but why is it popular can the people that support it actually explain what its plans are and defend them from criticism sin a rational and reasonable way the evidence of this thread is a resounding NO.

Been good for the country and been popular has not always been the same thing

 

Maybe he will stop being a prick when you start trying to be a worthy convo partner.

 

We are a people divided and I worry about that and where that division will lead

It seems to me that there are leavers that want to hurt the country and my family and don’t seem to know why and many of them seem to think I’m a traitor – a traitor – for not wanting that harm.

It takes a certain amount of guttural hatred to call a political opponent a traitor rather than just misdirected or ill-informed and it’s not the kind of hatred that just goes away.

And the thing is if the UK leaves and when the Brexit shit hits the fan (which has already begun) those that opposed it are going to be there saying ‘I told you so’ some with exasperation others with sadness.

And the thing is that many of the leavers have been taught to blame migrants for things that have nothing to do with immigration and once people have accepted one scapegoat they are open to accepting others.

And when things turn bad the leaders of Brexit are going to either accept the blame or blame others and if you look at those leaders you know exactly what they will do.

On the other hand if Brexit is dropped as it should be then I’m afraid that things like identity and nationalism have already escaped from the Brexit Pandora’s box.

 

@Balbus I think you're spot on, man. They haven't thought it through. It's like some have a vision of a Britain from yester-year and are under the impression that closing the door on the EU will get them the Britain they remember. I believe their logic is faulty.

Apparently we will see, right? Unless I'm mistaken, the original Brexit vote stands. There will eventually be a departure of Britain from the European Union?

 

Soul

Thank you but i'd have to admit it is very frustrating to try and work out why these people want Brexit.

I seem to constantly come up against a brick wall of misinformation and ignorance.

That frustration can turn to despair when so many times I realise that this seems to be wilful blindness and ignorance. They don’t want to see or heard anything that might contradict what they have already decided on seemingly through prejudice and bias.

And what worries me is the hate they have for those that don’t agree with them and the glee at the prospect that those people might be hurt by Brexit.

The tragedy is that they will also be hurt by it.

This is would not be healthy and doesn't bode well for the future.

It’s still unsure – as the moment we have the situation where only about 100,000 people the membership of the Conservative Party are going to choose who is going to be the next Prime Minister of the UK (population some 60 million people).

So much for the supposed democratic deficit of the EU

The British Parliament as is would vote against a no deal Brexit and there doesn’t seem to be any consensus for any other form of Brexit.

But the new Conservative Party leader and Prime Minister could ignore or bypass the democratically elected Parliament and force a hard Brexit.

The most sensible thing to do would be to go back to the country and have a Peoples Vote (another referendum).

But those above that are driven by prejudice and bias would only see that as a betrayal and look unpon those that brought it about as traitors.

This is would not be healthy and doesn't bode well for the future.

 

You on the other hand I have given up on

 

Lol wtf man. I left this thread after you played stupid when i asked you to explain your own remark.
Now you were doing the same with Fuds. If you find you don't get respect in threads like this; its because people are giving up on YOU.
But yeah, we're the unclear and unconstructive convo partners here