Mass Shooting 13 Dead Thousand Oaks California

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Is that a yes or a no?

 

At a distance of more than 30 yards, most shotguns are going to be ineffective.

A skilled shooter with a .30-06 can drop a deer at 300 yards

 

Uh huh.



Thanks for playing!

 

That should dispel any . . . rumors that muzzle-rise will affect one's accuracy at pointblank range.

 

I didn't say a thing about muzzle rise.

 

Horrible video. Could easily have been faked and doesn't clearly demonstrate whether or not that's a lethal shot.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I just don't care as much.

 

You said: "At 50 yards, you'll just piss your target off. . . . At a distance of more than 30 yards, most shotguns are going to be ineffective."

I provided a video that disproves what you've said.
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And here's another "horrible video" you might find informative:



This also speaks to another poster's ridiculous notion that muzzle-rise affects the accuracy of a shooter at pointblank range.

 

Yes. Thank you.

I know what I said.

 

i'm not gun guy...no more questions.....last answer.....professional shotgun users can pack their own custom load so it spreads less or more at various distances….

 

Oh. You're arguing a point someone else made. But you're quoting me.

Um...cool? I guess...

 

Actually, I asked a question of another poster, and you decided to address that question. Consequently, I corrected your comment concerning the range and accuracy of shotguns.

And yeah, that's cool, I guess.

 

And now that we're done with that, we can return to where we left off . . .

 

Yes, you pointed out that assault weapons are defined by law differently in certain jurisdictions, which made your question to me concerning the legal definition of an assault weapon rather pointless.

And again you are claiming that I am the one obsessing on pistol grips and folding stocks when you are clearly the one who believes that they increase the deadliness of a semiautomatic rifle in a mass shooting scenario, and should therefore be banned. You've been asked to prove that claim, but have so far come up with nothing but an appeal to whatever legal voice that happens to share your irrational fear of pistol grips, and then telling me to take it up with them. But I'm taking it up with you. You're being asked to do your own thinking on this.

You've also claimed that I've said that a rifle has no muzzle-rise when being fired. I'll let your failure to refer me to where I said such a thing stand as a monument to what an obsession can cause you to see which isn't really there.

I would also suggest that you watch your video. You are furthering the case of obsession against you, and you don't even know it. You apparently believe that the difference in the amount of muzzle-rise between a rifle with a muzzle-rise eliminator and a rifle without a muzzle-rise eliminator will make a big difference in a mass shooting scenario, and will justify a ban on pistol grips. Unfortunately, your video shows that the amount of muzzle-rise without a muzzle-rise eliminator is negligible. And even so, we're talking about the godawful pistol grip, not muzzle-rise eliminators.

And yes, a pause between shots is not rapid-fire mode. So what? You seem to be making the point that all mass shooters always fire their guns in rapid-fire mode (fast as one can pull the trigger). You should probably back up that belief of yours with . . . something; not that that will prove that the amount of muzzle-rise without a pistol grip will make the difference between life and death.

 

Why don't world millitaries arm the standard soldier with shotguns if they're so accurate and lethal at distance?

 

You're hoping that, by showing that the military doesn't use shotguns, your incorrect statements concerning their accuracy and range will somehow be cancelled out. But that, too, would be an inaccurate assumption on your part.

And by the way, the military does use shotguns.

Combat Shotguns
The Combat Shotgun, usually a military version adapting a civilian shotgun, has a long and successful career of service with the U.S. military.

U.S. Marines assigned to the Seventh Fleet, Fleet Anti-terrorism Security Team (FAST), Third Platoon, fam-fire the Mossberg M500 shotgun aboard USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19). The M500 is a magazine feed, manually operated pump action, smoothbore gun. 2 November 2004.

 

Re-read my question. Standard soldier.

Anyway, fuck this. You failed to address my concerns that the video could be faked. Meanwhile, even non-gun people know the effective range of a shotgun seldom extends beyond 50 yards.

We're done.

 

When you figure out what his point is, let me know.