Federal government calls for special treatment of immigrants

LOL what?

 

You are schizophrenically finding white supremacists where they don’t exist. Seek help.

 

If memory serves Beached Blob Lame Barf is the one who christened me Melania
And now you're Nosebleed
Aka the Two Stooges
World famous hip hop duo

 

What is wrong with you?

You're right, Goldy is an Islamophobe. But her racism doesn't end there. As was already thoroughly examined in another post, since you somehow missed it (two people now).

One of dozens of examples of her white supremacy would be her going to the fatal Unite the Right rally while accompanying Gavin McInnes and his Proud Boys.

Funny you say that in the midst of a discussion on canadian white supremacists. Unsurprising to most, white supremacists are real, it's not like most of them hide the fact. They're usually proud of it. If you're unable to articulate an intelligent response, why even reply at all. But in case you do want to contribute to the conversation, which white supremacists that I've talked about don't exist?

 

Islam isn't a race. It's a religion, and a political ideology. A very very right-wing traditionalist ideology.

Not saying they don't exist at all. I'm saying you're exploiting their existence to strawman everyone you disagree with. Which is why you're so obsessed with them. Your fearmongering strawman arguments cannot survive without these white power groups. You need them to exist for you to push your agenda.

 

Make Toronto Hawt Again

 

Lol. Good to know a party member is public about the fake centre role the ndp is playing, lol. They are currently playing the center role because bob rae destroyed them. He too played the centre and was the most destructive person Ontario saw. I guess that one ndp guy didnt get the secret memo. They are trying so hard to shake off that ghost!

 

Oh you mean Bitch Ball Lady Balls?

I dont even know how she got off of ignore. But it only took her one post to be back on.

 

LOL

Autocorrect!

 

I just looked back and saw that it was actually you that mentioned voting for Goldy. And following that has been a discussion on her being a white-supremacist. So just because you're losing a debate doesn't mean you can just say those you disagree with have strawman arguments.

You're right, in a way, we wouldn't be having this debate if there weren't white-power groups for Goldy to be involved with haha. But no. My agenda, or as you stated before you edited your post, my "ideology" is not antifascism, as antifascism/antiracism isn't an ideology.

In fact, having fo fight a fascist movement which rose up in 2016 has taken away from efforts made by those with my ideology from fighting other forms of even more systemic oppressions. It's been a nuisance to us having to clean the fascists off the streets. And many others with similar ideologies have offered critiques of the antifascist movement and how at times it seems to be too focused on the fash and sometimes losing sight of other efforts we're involved in and the world we're trying to create. Some of those critiques can be found here and here.

So in conclusion, having to focus on racists like Faith Goldy has, in many ways, taken away from the more important work we do on a daily basis. Almost anything from organizing community gardens and health stations or shelters to disaster relief and fighting climate change, is all more beneficial to the revolutionary movement than having to take care of the fash.

 

@6-eyed shaman

 

Or were you just trolling? ^

 

I honestly do not know if Faith Goldy is a white supremacist or racist. I do not believe she is, personally. She did say “I want to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”. But in doing so she followed that by saying, that statement in itself is not racist. She said that if white is replaced by aboriginal or black it would find support. this isonly a problem when white is in this sentence. She hit the streets with a petition stating this with white replaced with aboriginal and native people and got a lot of signatures and support of this. Also Faith Goldy is not completely white. She is quite brown in skin tone. She is the daughter of immigrants. Her father has a restaurant in te greek area of Toronto which not too long ago was the area of a terrorist attack. She has a Greek background as well as having Jewish in her background. There is a very old community in Greece who are Jewish! Do I think it wrong to have her voice squashed in the media, yes. It is censorship and while you support her being refused in debates, one day you might find your voice being refused because they don’t agree with laws being changed to reflect sharia law! Or One that supports the death penalty or doesn’t support it or a voice that doesn’t supports abortion being denied. It is a slippery slope. Denying her speaking engagements simply blocks people from actually knowing what she stands for and leaves people simply believing what the media tells you.

There are two who are huge supremacist that are running and publicly state this. They will be mentioned in papers but she is not. The reason for this is because she actually will get votes and does have some support. I have never heard her state she that she is a white supremacist.

 

I'm not from Toronto, nor am I Canadian. So I can't vote for her. I'm not losing the debate, you're still mislabeling people you oppose as white supremacists. LOL

Aside from keyboard warrioring, how do you yourself go about "cleaning the fascists off the streets?" If it's through a means of censorship or physical violence, then you need look no further than a mirror to find yourself a fascist.

 

Your memory is clearly failing you as I didn’t call you that. If you want to make yourself beautiful by calling yourself that, good luck. I would put it down to old age and memory loss, but can’t be due to the way you act on this forum, this thread. Nope, it can’t be that old age, you must be under 18.

 

And every time I ask who it is I mislabel a white supremacist you never answer.

Just when I thought we could have an actual conversation.

"You could just as easily say that not stopping fascists from speaking makes you as bad as them, because it gives them the opportunity to organize to impose their agenda on the rest of us. If you care about freedom, don’t stand idly by while people mobilize to take it away."

"We oppose fascists because of what they do, not what they say. We’re not opposed to free speech; we’re opposed to the fact that they advance an agenda of hate and terror. We have no power to censor them; thanks to the “neutrality” of the capitalist market, they continue to publish hate literature in print and the internet. But we will not let them come into our communities to build the power they need to enact their hatred.

The government and the police have never protected everyone’s free speech equally, and never will. It is in their self-interest to repress views and actions that challenge existing power inequalities. They will spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayers’ dollars on riot police, helicopters, and sharpshooters to defend a KKK rally, but if there’s an anarchist rally the same police will be there to stop it, not to protect it.

What’s the purpose of free speech, if not to foster a world free from oppression? Fascists oppose this vision; thus we oppose fascism by any means necessary."

- This is not a Dialogue






Some other resources that deconstruct this myth are

Not Your Grandparents Anti-fascism

Anti-fascism is Self-defense

 

Alex Jones and Faith Goldy to name a couple.

So you feel the best way to combat bad ideas is to silence them with brute force? If their ideas suck, do you not feel that your better ideas could kick their asses in a public dialog? Why not let the bigots speak and let them expose themselves for the hateful idiots that they are? TBH you're beginning to sound insecure of your own stances if you cannot challenge these people without blindly calling them all white supremacists without any basis or proof.

You may like the idea of seeing your enemies getting deplatformed and getting their freedom of speech taken away. But one day, the tables could turn. And your ideas and speech will be silenced. That's why freedom of speech is so important.

Yes, you are:

Oh sure, give the government the power to silence your opposition. As I said above, one day they could use that same power to turn it against you and your ilk.

If your protest is damaging public and private property, the law will crack down on you. If a counter protest inflicts physical harm on an organized protest, the law will crack down on them.

Believing that Pantifa is "anti-fascist" because their name says so, is as dumb as believing that Trump is literally making America great again because his brand says so.

 

I'm not a fan of companies hiring people who aren't qualified for jobs, but at the same time, they need to be given an opportunity to prove that they could be qualified. Many immigrants might face discrimination without being given a fair chance, so there's that. Many people just deserve a chance. We take much for granted, simply because we have been lucky enough to be born in countries where we don't have to fight our way to eat, to pray, to work. It's only luck and nothing more, than separates us from being born in a country where there's less financial opportunities.

 

Again, everything you just said was already refuted in the sources provided. But I can spell it out a little bit more for you.

In both those threads I offered extensive analysis as to them being neck neep in white-supremacy. Counter those arguments, instead of just pretending I didn't back them up.

"People don’t become fascists because they find their ideas persuasive; they become fascists for the same reason others become police officers or politicians: to wield power over other people. It’s up to us to show that fascist organizing will not enable them to obtain this power, but will only result in public humiliation. That is the only way to cut off their source of potential recruits.

History has shown over and over that fascism is not defeated by ideas alone, but by popular self-defense. We’re told that if all ideas are debated openly, the best one will win out, but this fails to account for the reality of unequal power. Fascists can be very useful to those with power and privilege, who often supply them with copious resources; if they can secure more airtime and visibility for their ideas than we can, we would be fools to limit ourselves to that playing field. We can debate their ideas all day long, but if we don’t prevent them from building the capacity to make them reality, it won’t matter.

They only organize public events to show potential recruits that they have power, and to try to legitimize their views as part of the political spectrum. By publicly opposing fascists, we make it clear to them—and more importantly, to anyone else interested in joining them—that they will not be able to consolidate power without a fight. Ignoring fascists only allows them to organize unhindered, and history shows that this can be very dangerous. Better we shut them down once and for all." - This is not a Dialogue

What am I supposed to be looking at? Is that me? Haha

Nowhere does it say to give the government that power. Yes, we are well aware that the state holds that above us, and uses it.



And again, what am I looking at? Yes, a significant number of anti-fascists are women. Does that bother you? I know it bothers the fash, having their movement wiped out in 1 year by all those they view as inferior to them haha.

And yet even more useful texts:

The Limits and Possibilities of Anti-Fascism

It's not about Freedom of Speech