Kavanaugh Nomination

And I know when someone is politically motivated!

 

When did he say that he drank in excess? I recall him either deflecting the question or saying how much he liked beer and still likes beer. He seemed to make it sound like he rarely went to parties at all. Where was he having all these beers as a minor?

At parties. I honestly think his wife didn’t know this about him and part of his shame is coming from his kids and wife thinking their dad/husband was that mythical white knight we are all told about exists lol

That’s why he’s crying, me thinks. But it’s just a guess. He’s having a fall from grace moment.

I hope for his sake that somehow, it was all a mistake in identity but what will actually ruin this for him is that he is perceived as lying under oath. All of the news pundits are talking about this today, how he lied about his drinking. So...it’s not just me who “missed” this supposed testimony where he shared what a drinker he was.

I feel sorry for him if he is being falsely accused, but it just seems like an odd thing to pin on someone.

 

Because it takes one to know one? :-D

 

No Ford or whomever she chooses to present this, needs to testify and show they made every effort possible to find non partisan affiliated people with no skin in a political process, that could have taken over its presentation to the senate. They have plenty of ways to interview counsels experience, background, past affiliations. It gives Ford more momentum when she makes a serious claim such as this. There are people that are in fact non political and are independent. Her testimony was, I didn't know who to call, so I called my (Forgot if she said councilman or senator or who) and they sent me to Senator Feinstein. I didn't know any other way. When I went for help, they gave me about 50 ways to report to authorities an event of sexual misconduct.

And she just so happens to agree to an interview with a reporter from a newspaper after her talks with Feinstein were underway. She is a far more educated person than I. She is well qualified in using logic and exploration and resources made available to victims. She could have started with the cops and get deferred to the FBI from the start. That could have started an investigation that required no senate or WH approval and K wouldn't even have know it was happening. Instead after she innocently ended up with Feinstein it was sat when an investigation could have been underway.

How do we know there are no complaints against Booker? As you see happening now. Suddenly we are learning about all these women no one knew about for years all suddenly find the courage to complain about K.

If he is an admitted groper as in you believe he is, and you believe the story he tells which is strikingly similar to some of K's alleged event, then at the least he should be removed from the voting body of judging the viability of another groper to conduct business for the people of the United States.

Facts to back up a bogus conspiracy claim:

Michael R. Bromwich - Wikipedia


Meet Christine Blasey Ford’s Pro Bono Lawyer, Michael Bromwich


Former Federal Prosecutor Joins Kavanaugh Accuser's Legal Team | HuffPost


http://www.bromwichgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Bromwich-statement.pdf


Ex-FBI No. 2 alerted then-FBI chief Comey of plans to talk to press: lawyer | Reuters

Some of these require you actually read through to find the relevant info re: connections K claims in his testimony.

Ford and Booker were both at Stanford at the same time. K may know this and that is the basis for that assertion. It isn't like Booker hasn't been vocal in his opposition to K. He's the most ambitious one of the ones looking for anyway possible to derail anything right wing.

This shit isn't made up. As much as you wish it was.

 

You said and I quote: "Strange how the FBI is allowed to broadcast to the President and the Republicans what they're doing but not the Democrats." Kinda easy to see what that says.

The only people that need to see it are the ones that made the deal. This country will never get anything done if we have to run it by 200 million people to make sure everyone knows what our government is doing. You vote for them. If you don't like the job they do. You don't vote for them again.

 

It was an assumption of the exchange. They can't consider him having a problem serving as a judge unless they determine that drinking excessively compromises him. Drinking isn't illegal nor morally at question by anyone. They are not going to deny a judge a job because he likes beer then and still does now. And got drunk during college. And he did admit to drinking to excess under oath.

 

They can deny a judge a job for any reason lol This isn’t an entitlement.

And they can deny him for lying under oath. It’s not his drinking that is the issue it’s that he wasn’t entirely truthful about it. Doesn’t matter. His drinking buddies back at Yale remember how he was a “beligerent drinker” back in college days.

I guess everyone’s lying but Kavanaugh

 

The one in the quote.

 

So lying under oath isn't a problem?

 

I think the only way that this could possibly be fair is if any time a right-wing politician does something wrong, we all just accept that it's either no big deal or a made up story.

 

The only reason you don't want to believe it was Kavanaugh is because you don't want to admit that he isn't fit for this position. You don't want to admit that because you are too invested in your partisan mentality to ever admit that the GOP would defend someone they knew was lying, and who had sexually assaulted someone.

This is the party who ran Trump as a candidate, despite him being totally ignorant about the way government works. FFS most of them didn't want Kavanaugh to be the nominee because they knew he was deeply flawed... but Trump pushed it through so they all fell in line because it was a nice distraction while they passed another $3.8 trillion tax cut for the rich... and guess who's going to pay for them?

 

It absolutely is.

 

Has anyone noticed how many times Trump has changed his tune on allowing the FBI to investigate the Kavanaugh issues? First he didn't want it. Then he said they could investigate on a limited scope. Then he said he did not limit the FBI. Then Sanders said he is not micro managing it after he had said they could only talk to current witnesses. Wouldn't it be easier if the FBI had unfettered time to talk to the relevant witnesses then report to Congress?

 

Everyone but Kavenaugh? You mean like the 3 people that can't corroborate Ford's testimony?

Now you have to think like attorneys here. Did he get asked if he was ever a belligerent drunk? They ask specific questions and get specific answers. I don't think he was asked that. He admitted to excessive drinking when asked. He never volunteered that he was an excessive drinker just because he thought it would be OK to throw it out there.

This a Bill Clinton moment. Clinton did not lie when he said he did not have sex with Lewinsky. The definition of "sex" he was testifying too was the definition he was given by the committee. The committee defined sex as intercourse. He answered that question truthfully.

Kavenaugh was given a sheet to read that we didn't see. They said that this committee provided sheet defined sexual assault. He read it carefully. And referred to it more than once before answering. So again this could be a Bill Clinton moment. You or I don't need to carefully read a definition of sexual assault. But perhaps there is some confinement in the way it was worded that made him have to be very careful. It won't be the first investigations that politicians screwed up.

And yes they can get turned down for any reason. It is not an entitlement. Nor is it supposed to be an assumption of guilt. It does however require votes. Or none of this thread would have ever been created, if it didn't.

 

Ted Bundy was a world class psychopath. Do you really think Blasey Ford is a psychopath? Maybe so, but couldn't it also be that she's telling the truth. Most people who lie on polygraphs are detected. She impressed most observers as very sincere and credible. If she fooled us all, she can take her place in the psychopath hall of fame, ahead of Ted Bundy. Judge Kavanaugh could take a polygraph. He hasn't. She asked for an FBI investiga6tion. He didn't. He told and repeated a blatant lie under oath when he said the witnesses had refuted Ford's story. They didn't. They just said they couldn't remember the incident to corroborate her story. Kavanaugh is a lawyer and a judge. He should understand the distinction between those two different things. Mischaracterizing the evidence, intentionally or otherwise, is not something we should want on the Supreme Court. And you're saying she held back her story all these years just waiting for him to get close to a Supreme Court nomination so she could make her move? So does she have precognitive clairvoyance? How can you believe that? More likely, as she explained, it was when it was clear he was one of the frontrunners for SCOTUS, the highest

As for the media conspiracy theory, how do you know that? Because it would be just like the media, from what you've heard from Breitbart, Alex Jones, and Fox and friends? That they just love Hollywood celebrities so much that they's go beating the bushes for other sex abuse cases so Hollywood won't look so bad? And is that because Hollywood is the darling of liberals? Or is there other evidence for the conspiracy? Stay away from those conspiracy theorists, they're rotting your mind!

 

Dude. After 2 years you should know how Trump is. He does these to draw in the media. He can provide us 5 different positions in a day. All of which the press are camped out waiting to hear so they can be the first to make it a story. He doesn't need a press conference. He makes you work full time at trying to get his position understood on something.

 

Idk, it stands to reason that people who might be implicated in a sexual assault or knowing of it and doing nothing, would have more to risk than Dr Ford. It’s possible that it’s a mistake in identity, but of an entire party? She made it all up?

Most likely, at the very least, Judge and Kavanaugh were at the party and Judge realizes the mess he would be in if he tells that truth.

Dr Ford told people of all of this long before Kavanaugh was on anyone’s mind.

Just seems like the guys in this story have more to lose than she does by telling the truth. However, her life has been threatened since her letter was leaked in the media. I mean more from a reputation perspective.

Does anyone really think Mark Judge is going to say “yea, we were hammered and took advantage of this girl and then she ran out and we laughed it off.”

Lol This is why he feels the need to say I’m a cancer survivor and recovering alcoholic, I’m fragile...I can’t handle too much stress.

Since when did telling the truth become stressful? So, I think that dude knows a lot more than he is letting on but is going to stay quiet. There’s no reason to state that you’re a cancer survivor and a recovering alcoholic. Who cares? You’re being questioned if your friend sexually assaulted someone ...oh wait, but you’re implicated too as looking on and laughing.

He knows something, which is why he wants to come off as a fragile guy with illnesses, so the FBI will go easy on him and he won’t be pressed by the media.

 

All very plausible observations that I am not discounting.

But we have to use what she provided us. I am sorry she has as many holes as she does. This is exactly the reason why a lot of these events go unreported. They simply can't hold up to verification. In my case, I knew that it was always going to be my word against my perpetrators. I couldn't get around that.

This is the slippery slope. And unfortunately people can take advantage of this fact.

 

That’s true. But we aren’t looking to convict him of a crime. It’s not a trial. Is he more credible than Ford? Does he seem “fit” to become a SC Judge?

If people say they believe her, then he can’t also be fit to be the SC judge.

If people don’t believe her, then they will want him to be confirmed.

Or a third option, people dislike him regardless of this development with Ford.

A matter of who we think is telling the truth. They both can’t be.