Are the Democrats back on track?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    What an ugly, despicable mentality.
     
  2. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Sorry to go back to the fat issue again but by coincidence there is an article about it in today’s Guardian by George Monbiot

    We’re in a new age of obesity. How did it happen? You’d be surprised - It’s not that we’re eating more, that we exercise less, or that we lack willpower. The shaming of overweight people has to stop

    We’re in a new age of obesity. How did it happen? You’d be surprised | George Monbiot

    Please read the full article, but here is some extracts

    So what has happened? The light begins to dawn when you look at the nutrition figures in more detail. Yes, we ate more in 1976, but differently. Today, we buy half as much fresh milk per person, but five times more yoghurt, three times more ice cream and – wait for it – 39 times as many dairy desserts. We buy half as many eggs as in 1976, but a third more breakfast cereals and twice the cereal snacks; half the total potatoes, but three times the crisps. While our direct purchases of sugar have sharply declined, the sugar we consume in drinks and confectionery is likely to have rocketed (there are purchase numbers only from 1992, at which point they were rising rapidly. Perhaps, as we consumed just 9kcal a day in the form of drinks in 1976, no one thought the numbers were worth collecting.) In other words, the opportunities to load our food with sugar have boomed. As some experts have long proposed, this seems to be the issue.

    The shift has not happened by accident. As Jacques Peretti argued in his film The Men Who Made Us Fat, food companies have invested heavily in designing products that use sugar to bypass our natural appetite control mechanisms, and in packaging and promoting these products to break down what remains of our defences, including through the use of subliminal scents. They employ an army of food scientists and psychologists to trick us into eating more than we need, while their advertisers use the latest findings in neuroscience to overcome our resistance.

    They hire biddable scientists and thinktanks to confuse us about the causes of obesity. Above all, just as the tobacco companies did with smoking, they promote the idea that weight is a question of “personal responsibility”. After spending billions on overriding our willpower, they blame us for failing to exercise it.

    Just as jobless people are blamed for structural unemployment, and indebted people are blamed for impossible housing costs, fat people are blamed for a societal problem. But yes, willpower needs to be exercised – by governments. Yes, we need personal responsibility – on the part of policymakers. And yes, control needs to be exerted – over those who have discovered our weaknesses and ruthlessly exploit them.

    We’re in a new age of obesity. How did it happen? You’d be surprised | George Monbiot
     
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  3. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Maybe i should begin another thread - How do Americans get the US back on track?
     
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    Keith Ellison and a VT Tranny..

    awesome [​IMG]
     
  5. Stop voting Republican and Democrat.
     
  6. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Which is the strategy that got G.W. Bush elected and gave us two wars, torture and a recession.
     
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  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I agree 100%. Except if it means stop voting all together. Give another party a viable chance or remain in this shitty position.

    What worked for a century in the past is not a guarantee of succes for the future
     
  8. Meliai

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    This could also be blamed on the electoral college. Bush lost the popular vote the first go round, after all
     
  9. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Fuck these 2 parties that abuse their luxury position.
     
  10. McFuddy

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    They abuse it and do whatever they can to maintain it.
     
  11. I think it's kind of absurd to say that the vast majority of votes weren't going for Democrats and Republicans when W. was "elected." Call me paranoid, but I think all of our presidents are pre-selected anyway. People start to get angry and distrust the gov't and then someone like Obama gets thrown in. We keep progressing towards a fascist oligarchy, then someone worse comes along. Then they prepackage some other bald faced liar that soothes the public (but still enacts the same regressive laws.) Then we go full out oligarchy electing some billionaire like Trump. And next the media will devote all of its attention to some half-assed corporate lackey who seems progressive and liberal on the surface. But any REAL change, so that we can progress as a society and as human beings and the people with big bank accounts might lose their influence? No way.

    It's sad to see the public falling for this. More and more we are fit into little boxes, and we thank our leaders for this just because they're not as bad as the worst thing imaginable, which is someone like Donald Trump. Keep the unruly public in line, that's the agenda. They could care less about our spirit. They just want the economy to run smoothly, and rich, fulfilling lives be damned. Look at how depression and suicide are on the rise. Our culture is so vapid and empty. All we do is consume...junk basically...and fight. "You're a Nazi." "You're a libtard." Etc. etc.

    So next will be someone superficially better than Trump, and our boxes will get smaller and smaller. Consume, consume, consume. And then eventually we'll get to some guy who's just an out and out dictator. People think Trump is bad. Give it 12 years. Put another phony Democrat in office that annoys the shit out of people and people will be itching for some guy who comes along and just wants to tear the country completely apart. They'll be happy for any escape from the false society created by the liberals, even if that means violence and bloodshed.
     
  12. Noserider

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    All I'll say is this...the obesity and heath "epidemic" rose coinciding with the government pushing this high-carb low-fat diet agenda. They told us to be healthy by eating the same foods we feed to animals to fatten them up for slaughter. Didn't matter that for 99% of human history we'd been hunter gatherers with diets high in natural saturated animal fats--suddenly fat was bad, meat was bad, eggs were bad, and we were supposed to eat oil from corn (the fuck?), grains and seeds (we're birds now?), gluten, sugar, etc. etc.

    Now we live in a world of type II diabetes, heart disease, obesity, and we fat shame people who are overweight and are on a low-fat diet. That's horrible enough, but the real shame, is the unrealistic expectations put upon women to look "good." A woman who is a size 8 or 10, or even 12, is actually normal and healthy. But, if she's bigger than a size 2, society is going to shame her.

    What we "know" about health and weight is absolutely inverted and ridiculous.
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    Which party would that be? The libertarians, whose candidate Gary (what is Aleppo) Johnson distinguished himself by his abysmal ignorance of foreign policy, or the Green Party, whose candidate Jill Stein provided a photo op of herself in Moscow seated with Flynn and Putin when she was visiting Moscow to protest U.S. human rights abuses. If Democrats stop supporting their party, Trump and his minnions get re-elected and democracy will go down the drain.
     
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  14. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    Johnson definitely crashed and burned, and I think it was self-inflicted (wait...I'm running for what????) but I thought his stance on foreign policy overall was spot on. I still think he was the best candidate of the "big four."

    At this point, a vote for Johnson or Stein is a vote for their party--a vote against the two party system. It could have brought about change in the future. And I really thought the 2016 election would be the year third party candidates would get enough of the vote to secure federal funding and an invite to the debates in 2020. But--and I don't mean this in a patronizing or offensive way--too many people still clung to your mentality of, "don't vote third party because..."
     
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  15. Okiefreak

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    Don't you remember the hanging chads? Gore won the popular vote and the Supreme Court elected Bush. The Nader voters and the Green Party made the difference. Ralph Nader Was Indispensable To The Republican Party | HuffPost
    Would Gore have been better? Hard to say. I doubt that he would have given us those wars.
     
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  16. Okiefreak

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    Give me a third party worth voting for and I'll consider it. The ones in the ring at present are lame, and the elections are looming. Ross Perot was the most successful Third Party candidate in recent history. Thank God he didn't make it! But I agree, the electoral college , or at least the "winner take all" system at the state level, has to go. Easier said than done.
     
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  17. McFuddy

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    Yes. He would have been better.
     
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  18. quark

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    Jessie Ventura for president. Democrips and Rebloodlicans.
     
  19. Didn't hundreds of thousands of people vote Republican instead of Democrat that year? Nader is hardly the reason Gore lost.

    So your advice is to just stick to Kang vs. Kodos?
     
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