The Donald Trump Score Card

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  1. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Obama didn't do shit about the drug war. Unless you consider commuting the sentences of crack dealers as progress. He had the keys to the kingdom and made stupid programs like Cash for Clunkers happen but somehow couldn't do shit about the War on Drugs (which should have been ended by Clinton). Obama had the best potential since he could blame it on racism, one of his favorite tactics. Instead, he sat by and watched more Americans get tossed into cages.
     
  2. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    We're a nation of "feelings" now. Laws are for other kinds of people.
     
  3. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Well sure, liberals might’ve cared about it then. But hardly the fringe leftists. If you ask me, they’re angry only whenever their TV tells them to be.

    I’ve looked at BLM’s website. It says nothing about the lack of fathers in black households. But it did say this little gem:

    “We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially ‘our’ children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.”

    Yep, further destruction of the black family. Children from disfunctional families, and even single parent households have a much harder struggle than strong families.
     
  4. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Oh that's rich. We are to just forget the misdeeds of democrats? What a great idea. Let's forget about how they championed causes like slavery, the KKK and Jim Crow. Better yet, let's blame those things on republicans, forever!!!!

    This is why I don't fanatically cling to either party. History isn't a matter of truth, it's a matter of convenience.
     
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  5. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I’m eagerly waiting for Trump to fire Sessions actually
     
  6. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Sounds like the greatest hits of the hard left once again. One of the reasons they went after "the workers" in the first place was because so few of them were actually educated. They were easy to manipulate into a frenzy of mass anger.
     
  7. Meliai

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    Okay? What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand .

    Bill O'Reilly spoke out against separating immigrants from their children today. So did Laura Bush. Hardly the fringe left. You dont have to be "fringe left", whatever you even mean by that, to see the inhumanity in this
     
  8. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Visitor

    Much simpler. Anyone who wants to come here should be allowed in provided that they:

    • are willing to work
    • obey the law
    • learn the language and culture
    • enroll their children in school
    • make progress toward becoming US citizens

    I naively wonder what the reaction of Americans would be if there were a sudden influx of Canadians, Australians, British, Norwegians...I could go on but I think you get the picture. I'd bet money that there would not be anywhere near the concern about immigration in those cases.
     
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  9. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    So? Bill O'Reilly invented Freedom Toast and pushed for the French boycott in 2002. And Laura's husband seperated plenty of Iraqi children from their parents. They're still disgusting people and I don't buy their crocodile tears.

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    These photos happened 4 years ago, but this was all Trump's fault I'm sure.
     
  10. egger

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    When policy is cut off from reality: Donald Trump's immigration problem
    Elaine Kamarack and Christine Stenglein
    October 31, 2017

    When policy is cut off from reality: Donald Trump’s immigration problem

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    "There is always a gap between campaign promises and governing realities, but in the case of immigration in the Trump 2016 campaign, the gap is staggering. President Trump created a myth about illegal immigration—a myth designed to create distrust and fear, thus providing easy scapegoats for the many Americans unhappy with their current situation.

    Having created the boogeyman of dangerous, out-of-control illegal immigration, the president now has to solve it. On the one hand, the actions of his predecessors—one Republican and one Democrat—will help him. They have tightened borders, increased personnel and contributed (ironically, through NAFTA) to a better Mexican economy. As a result of these factors, unauthorized immigration is down as evidenced by the drop in apprehensions at the border—a drop that began in 2004, not in 2017.

    On the other hand, Trump’s solutions—especially the border wall—are likely to face skepticism from lawmakers who know the limitations of physical barriers and the complexity of the problem. In the end, President Trump may find himself having “solved” the problem of illegal immigration without having enacted any of the measures he outlined. The voters will have to decide what to make of it."


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  11. egger

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    Mexico has its own problems with people seeking asylum from other countries in the region.

    It's daunting to grapple with the economic and social issues of Central and South America that are a significant source of the immigration issues facing the U.S.

    The simple approach that has traction with some of the electorate is to erect a concrete border wall with Trump's name on it. Trump's insistence on Mexico to pay for his border wall and his initiation of a tariff war with Mexico has damaged relations and programs that were having some success in reducing unwanted migration.

    Trump didn't attend the Summit of the Americas in 2018 which is a venue for addressing issues involving democracy, free trade, security, and immigration. He canceled it in favor of making plans to bomb Syria.



    The U.S. and Mexico want to slow migration from Central America. Will mass deportations help?
    Kate Linthicum
    By Kate Linthicum
    Oct 27, 2017 | 5:55 AM

    The U.S. and Mexico want to slow migration from Central America. Will mass deportations help?

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    "President Obama persuaded Congress to approve more than $750 million in development aid for Central America after more than 68,000 children traveling without an adult were apprehended at the border in 2014. Most of them came from the so-called Northern Triangle countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.

    In June, Vice President Mike Pence seemed committed to that approach when he met with leaders from Mexico and the Northern Triangle to discuss ways to prevent citizens from migrating to the United States.

    Still, experts said those efforts could be undercut by Trump's other actions in the region.

    In August, Trump ended an Obama-era program that granted temporary legal residence in the U.S. to Central American children who could prove they were under threat of violence. The program was designed as a safe and legal alternative for children who might have otherwise sought to migrate alone. Without it, migrant advocates fear more minors will head north with smugglers.

    Advocates also warn that other migration-related policies the administration has enacted or is weighing could destabilize the region by leading to much higher levels of deportations of Central Americans from the U.S."



    "In El Salvador, the two nations will work with the local government to improve trade practices, including standardizing documentation requirements and streamlining border procedures. In Honduras, Mexican doctors and experts in forensic medicine will work with the U.S. to train local law enforcement officials in more effective and transparent techniques.

    In Guatemala, the U.S. and Mexico will help young people who are likely to migrate in search of jobs, officials said. They will also help Guatemala to improve its tax collection to minimize opportunities for corruption.

    Whether or not such programs actually cut down on migration is difficult to determine, according to experts.

    U.S. officials say ongoing efforts to reduce violence have paid off in El Salvador, where homicide rates have fallen in many of the 33 towns where the United States is helping to fight crime. In Honduras, U.S. support has led to an increase in anti-corruption cases, according to senior USAID officials in the region."
     
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  12. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    I think the point of the post went over your head. You are dealing with two parties that are essentially the same. Yet you prove my point as a conservative who can do nothing but say it's OK because the other guy did it worse. What you can't do is address anything you do.

    So much hate for a culture war that by all numbers says you won. Yet the anger remains. :wink:
     
  13. Okiefreak

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    Both parents?
    As I recall, Obama had his hands full his first year and a half in office dealing with the latest Republican recession, and had to deal with Republican filibusters in the Senate. After that, the Republicans gained control of the House, and kept it for the rest of his time in office. So it would have been difficult for Obama to do shit about much of anything. He did the best he could with executive orders, bringing Republican charges of being a dictator. Nevertheless, President Obama's accomplishments in the area of federal drug policy can't be dismissed as "shit" unless you're a die hard drug warrior who likes the re-escalation under Trump/Sessions. I do consider his record number of clemencies, resulting in the release of 1715 prisoners--more than any other President in history-- to be progress. I also think his decision to allow states to proceed with marijuana legalization under Deputy Attorney General Cole's memo of 2013, rescinded by Sessions, was a major step forward. He pushed the Fair Sentencing Act reducing the crack/powder sentencing disparity from 100 to one to 18 to one.The Drug War was launched by Nixon, escalated by Reagan/Bush, and re-escalated by Trump. So once again your attempts at political spin seem to be wanting.
     
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  14. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    How you doing Joe Six Pack American worker? Is it 1950 again yet or has your total lack of economic understanding bit you in the ass? Still voting in 2020 wrong I know. They will not like the source it can't real. You can not fix stupid as a famous Republican once said.

     
  15. Okiefreak

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    You must have missed the transformation of the parties in the 60s. Democrat "championing" of causes like slavery, the KKK and Jim Crow lies in the distant past. Starting with Harry Truman's integration of the Armed Services in '48 and gaining momentum in the crowning achievements of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, Democrat Presidents took the lead in advancing the rights of African Americans. Then, Republican President Richard Nixon saw an opportunity to woo disaffected segregationists through his "Southern strategy", and it worked. So now the "Solid (Democrat) South of yesteryear is solidly Red State Republican, and those Southern conservatives are the backbone of the new Republican Party. What have they done for blacks lately?

    I don't fanatically cling to either party either. I liked Bush '41 and would have voted for him over Dukakis if I'd been eligible. I'm no fan of the Clintons. The Republican Party took a turn for the worse with the advent of Gingrich, the Neocons, the Tea Party, and now Trump. I don't think its blind partisanship to say that the populist wing of the Republican Party, which is now in the driver's seat, is bad news for America. The only Republicans who stand a chance of getting my vote are Kasich and Flake, should they ever run..
     
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  16. hotwater

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    WASHINGTON - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday said he was ordering the creation of a sixth branch of the military to focus on space.

    "It is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space," Trump said before a meeting of his National Space Council.

    "We are going to have the Air Force and we're going to have the 'Space Force.' Separate but equal. It is going to be something,"

    Yes, Donald I'm sure it going to be terrific .........

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  17. egger

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    China accuses Trump of 'blackmail' after new tariffs threat
    AFP Ryan MCMORROW,AFP
    June 19, 2018

    China accuses Trump of 'blackmail' after new tariffs threat

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    "China's commerce ministry immediately responded by saying the US "practice of extreme pressure and blackmail departed from the consensus reached by both sides during multiple negotiations and has also greatly disappointed international society".

    "If the US acts irrationally and issues a list, China will have no choice but to take comprehensive measures of a corresponding number and quality and take strong, powerful countermeasures."

    The news hit stock markets in Asia, where Shanghai shed three percent in the morning, Hong Kong lost more than two percent and Tokyo was one percent lower.

    Trump is moving forward with the measures after months of sometimes fraught shuttle diplomacy in which Chinese offers to purchase more American goods failed to assuage his grievances over a widening trade imbalance and China's aggressive industrial development policies."
     
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  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    These children were unaccompanied by adults, not taken from their parents.
     
  19. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    George, I don't know how Mexico immigration & tourism works. I don't claim it falls to the US to help them. I think all nations must help the poorest people on the planet. Saudi Arabia has sent millions to Haiti...a nation with few Muslims. Saudi Arabia has sent millions and billions to African nations, and to the Palestinians. Iran sends out plenty of aid. Malta and Spain take immigrants. I know we have millions below the poverty line, because I am one of them. Last night I listen to the recordings taken at the border detention facility in Texas. I heard babies crying for Mamita and Papa. I heard a very young girl say in Spanish that she has her aunt's telephone number and she wants her aunt to come and get her. That tells me some of these people do have family members in the USA, making them eligible for reunification. I have also heard that the "Cayotes" transporters of these human beings are the ones who pick the routes to enter the USA. So, some of them are at the mercy of the traffic-r. Some of the migrants did say the went to the official Port Of Entry. Anyway you look at it: it is a human tragedy. These babies should not be separated from their parents.
     
  20. stormountainman

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    Bush was in there eight full years. Why didn't he win the war on drugs?
     

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