The Donald Trump Score Card

The only language i've read is that they are taken into "custody" but I assume its still a detention center specifically for migrants, not a traditional US jail. Just one that children arent allowed to go to because the adults all have pending criminal charges

 

In the event their claims are legitimate, they would get checked out by INS and processed then turned over to Catholic Charities or relatives who wish to sponsor them. In the event they do not qualify to be in this country, they were sent back. If they were found to have carried out a crime or had warrants out for them, they would be taken into custody. The new problem is the Trump Administration is treating all of them like criminals.

 

I found this, and it's up-to-date as of today:

Zero Tolerance Immigration Prosecutions – Family Fact Sheet | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

 

Language has been programmed .

 

Why aren't they getting this help from the country they pass through? Why isn't Mexico helping them? It appears all Mexico is doing is shoving them through. And why does it fall to the US to protect them? We have millions of Americans living below the poverty line who should come first. Instead it seems more like they're dead last.

 

US law enforcement does indeed take children from parents in the US. For all kinds of things including robbery, drug abuse and using their children as sex slaves to get money for more drugs to abuse. The children are usually better off away from the abusive parents. Who is to say we're not enacting the very same protocol for the human traffickers sneaking in with children? I'm sure they aren't planning to use the kids for landscaping projects.

Also, the quote from Liberty has never been canonized into US law. It's a pretty sentiment, but it is not policy and never was. It's like trying to make a good case for marijuana out of a bad case for alcohol.

 

Oh my!

 

Clinton’s crime bill separated 70% of black children from their fathers.

#blackfathersmatter

 

A pragmatic approach to the immigration issue would be to improve the political, social, and econonic situation in Central and South America so that their inhabitants don't become so desperate that they have to resort to fleeing to another country.

Instead of grappling with the complexity of the issue, Trump relies on showboat, Hollywood style, law and order theatrics, such as issuing idle threats to send U.S. troops into Mexico (and the feds into Chicago) to straighten them out.

Like similar hostage-ransom tactics that he has used many times in the past, Trump (along with Jeff Session) has initiated the separation of migrants parents from their young children to try to coerce the Congress into giving him what he wants. He is insistent on breaking a campaign promise and forcing the U.S. taxpayers to pay $25 billion or more for his border wall that he said Mexico would pay for and that he mistakenly thinks is going to solve immigration issues.

In his Manhattan, zero-sum, real estate mindset, the only approach he knows, Trump has failed to see the value of multilateral agreements, such as ones that involve automotive plants in Mexico that can improve the economy and reduce the likelihood of people having to resort to moving to other countries to try to find work. He mistakenly sees it as a threat to the U.S. and has threatened Germany with steep tariffs if BMW doesn't shut down its plants in Mexico, which promotes retaliatory tatiffs (that Trump whines about as being 'unfair') and further deteriorates international relations. BMW is the largest exporter of cars in the U.S. Trump doesn't understand any of this because of his shallow-minded, theatrical approach that blames everyone else while he stands with a group of authority figures who he thinks are the answer.

Trump should take a break from photo-ops with military and police officials while holding his hand over his heart (a gesture that his wife had to remind him to do during the national anthem) and spend some time with the migrants and their young children. Listening to the accounts of their plight would be a good first step in understanding immigration problems. His handlers would need to issue him cue cards that say 'How can I help you?' to try instill an ounce of empathy in him, an effort that would likely fail like it did with his meeting with the Florida school mass shooting victims who Trump later snubbed by not attending the March For Our Lives rally, and not even mentioning it in a tweet, and by reneging on his initial post-shooting stance about instituting stricter gun laws in response to the shooting, wholeheartedly endorsing the NRA whose officials took him out to dinner after his meeting with the students, and praising the NRA while speaking at its national convention. After all that snubbing, Trump visited the victims of the school mass shooting in Texas and did it all over again. His treatment of immigrants isn't expected to be any more sincere than his treatment of`the students.

With the exception of his wife, who brought herself, her older sister, and father into the U.S. from Slovenia through the chain migration process that he is so against, Trump sees immigrants as an invading disease that he mistakenly thinks can be blocked with a concrete wall, similar to other pathological perceptions that he harbors concerning women, LGBT, non-Judeo-Christian religions, and body fluids such as blood and breast milk. Extracting even a shred of rational thought and behavior from such a person is unlikely.

 

Law enforcement does indeed take children from parents in the U.S.--if they're unfit or abusive. To do so on a routine basis for people whose crime is escaping from violence back home is criminal. To assume these are human traffickers is about as lame as Anne Coulter's claim about child actors. The policy of taking children from parents has also not been codified into law, despite Trump's efforts to convince us otherwise. The ingenuity of Republican spin doctors never ceases to amaze me, but in the end all the sophistry looks pretty pathetic.

 

Nothing of your post supports the opening statement .

 

Before or after they were convicted? And their mothers, too? As LBJ used to say, when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

 

Convicted for victimless crimes like casual drug use.

 

When is it ever about the now and not what some Democrat did in the past? Regardless of that they are not the party fucking up now.

The war on drugs and their polices are also very conservative. Ever hear of Just say no or Nancy Regan?

You can't put a two party solution on the one you don't like.

 

Why is the left now concerned about children being separated from parents who break the law, when they didn’t give a damn about it in the past?

 

Ummmm

The disproportionate imprisonment of black men has been brought up many, many times in various discussions on HF

Brought up by liberals, might I add, who are then accused of playing the race card or creating racism where none exists or supporting a terrorist organization like BLM or being too politically correct or whatever, blah blah

Its funny because you've been involved in those discussions yet this is the first time i've seen you show concern for it?

 

No their crime is attempting to gain illegal entry into our country.

Why is it the liberals can't grasp the term illegal. That is a criminal act. Children will not be housed with parents that are under criminal investigation. Been a law for longer than Trump has been around.

 

Show us the details and sources for your claim. Did Obama put the laws on the books? Did Obama pursue a more vigorous drug enforcement policy than his Republican predecessors or Jeff Sessions? Were the children separated from both parents on a routine basis? Did this happen before conviction?

 

Trump orders tariffs on $200B more Chinese goods
By DOUG PALMER
06/18/2018 08:32 PM EDT

Trump orders tariffs on $200B more Chinese goods

excerpt:

"President Donald Trump on Monday raised the stakes in a growing trade dispute with China, ordering trade officials to draw up a list of $200 billion worth of Chinese goods that would be hit with an additional 10 percent tariff, after Beijing retaliated in kind to Trump's decision to hit an initial $50 billion worth of Chinese goods with a 25 percent tariff last week.

"This latest action by China clearly indicates its determination to keep the United States at a permanent and unfair disadvantage, which is reflected in our massive $376 billion trade imbalance in goods," Trump said in a statement. "This is unacceptable. Further action must be taken to encourage China to change its unfair practices, open its market to United States goods, and accept a more balanced trade relationship with the United States."

Trump also promised to keep upping the ante if China retaliates to his latest action by pursuing additional tariffs on another $200 billion worth of goods, for a grand total of $450 billion."

 

The law against illegal immigration has been on the books but does not require separation of parents from children. That's a very recent Trumpian policy. These people were fleeing atrocities in their home countries and turned up on our doorstep. Many presented themselves to authorities and were seeking asylum. Why do "conservatives" try to come up with such Trumped up excuses for their cruelty.