The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Aerianne

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    Peace Prize Nomination has been made.
     
  2. Meliai

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    I'm personally just concerned over the trend i'm seeing with Trump of alienating our relationships with world leaders from free and democratic nations while strengthening relations with some of the world's more brutal authoritarian leaders. It worries me more than the supposed nuclear threat from NK ever did
     
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  3. Moonglow181

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    Yeah, but strengthening any ties with those nations won't give him the Nobel Peace prize, now will it? I see right through that bastard. He does not fool me.
    If he gets that prize, I will certainly vomit.
     
  4. Monkey Boy

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    All I heard was that there is de-escalation regarding NK and there's dialog between national leaders. Then I heard the media is against it. To me this proves they're war mongers.
     
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  6. egger

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    Trump and Kim have been two little boys on opposite ends of the school playground yelling that they are going to pulverize each other. Now they've de-escalated, have a Hollywood-style promo video, and claim they are deserving of a Nobel peace prize.

    Next up: Trump claims he is deserving of a second Nobel peace prize for re-establishing good relations with long-standing U.S. allies after damaging them with his manufactured crises and saving the world from dangerous Canadians. Promo video to be released soon. Stay tuned!
     
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  7. Monkey Boy

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    Tulsi Gabbard still hasn't shifted to the dark side.
     
  8. Piney

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    The Iranians are bad actors, yet the recent agreement was cheered on these boards at the time.
    Human rights were of no consequence
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The Iranian nuclear deal is a verifiable agreement between the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany and the rest of the European Union.
    Human rights is another subject.
    It comes up with NK because a deal hasn't been reached yet and Trump is kissing Kim's ass, we didn't kiss Hassan Rouhani's ass, we held his feet to the fire.

    In the Iranian deal they agreed to limit enrichment, eliminate all enrichment facilities but one, conduct limited and monitored research, eliminate weapon grade plutonium, export spent rods, and abide by Protocol Code 3.1.
    They have conformed to all of the above as attested to by supervised inspections.

    Yet Trump pulled out of it.
    Now North Korea says they will denuke...some time, and we're supposed to jump up and down in joy.

    Even if an agreement is reached...sometime, with no specifics and no monitoring, why would it be any better than the Iranian deal, which Trump pulled out of?
    Why would NK think we're going to stick to our side of the agreement when we welched on the Iranian deal?

    The Iranian nuclear deal is 159 pages long....North Korea, one and a half pages.
     
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  10. fraggle_rock

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    I'm not minimizing its brutality, and I don't think it's fake news.

    There's a difference between someone who knows how to keep his hold on power and someone with no control over his impulses. Obviously he's going to do what he feels he needs to do-- that doesn't mean he's crazy or bloodthirsty or inhuman, or a madman with his finger on the button.

    He is doing what his father did because he knows that that is what the people expect.

    It isn't about what Trump thinks... it's about the effect that this has on the world's relationship with North Korea. All I am saying is that it's not necessarily going to be a complete and total failure, and asking people to try to be objective here.
     
  11. egger

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    Election win puts Democrats close to taking Wisconsin Senate
    By: TODD RICHMOND, Associated Press
    Updated: Jun 13, 2018 06:18 PM EDT

    Wisconsin Democrats flip Trump-dominated seat in state vote

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    "Frostman's win marks the 43rd legislative seat nationwide that has flipped Democratic since President Donald Trump took office, according to the Democratic National Legislative Campaign Committee. The victory brings Democrats within just two seats of the Wisconsin Senate majority. The November election will determine control starting in 2019 and give that party an edge heading into the 2020 elections. Whoever is in control after those contests will handle redistricting in 2021.

    Wisconsin is among a handful of states where Democrats think they can flip control in at least one house, along with Colorado, Connecticut, Maine and New Hampshire.

    Wisconsin Democrats have spent the last eight years on the sidelines after Republicans took over the governor's office and both houses of the Legislature in 2011. Walker and Republican legislative leaders have used their majorities to transform Wisconsin's political landscape, eliminating public employees' union rights, relaxing environmental regulations and redrawing legislative districts to consolidate their power."
     
  12. Balbus

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    I think Okie has given a good reply to this but I’d like to just add my own take on it.

    The world like any community needs a policeman

    I, like many lefties, have been critical of US foreign policy, because it was about their own interests and not those of the people in whose regions they were meddling.

    They often did more harm than good.

    The thing is that the world does need a policeman, but if a policeman puts their own interests above those of the community they serve then they are simply a bent copper.

    The history of US foreign policy is one of missed opportunities to do good in favour of what it (or the party in control at the time) thought served its own interests.

    The US could have helped to set up a balanced system of global governance if it had been willing to put its own interests aside. They could have agreed to the global economic system proposed at Bretton Wood and they could have reformed the United Nations to make it more democratic and changed the way it was financed to make it more autonomous.

    Instead the US aimed for hegemony, the new America First movement seem to imply the world asked the US to be its policeman - it didn’t - the US aggressively pushed to take the position and tried to trash any other country that opposed them.

    The democratically elected governments of the US chose to become a militarised society, it could have chosen not to but the American people wanted it, they could have chosen to spend the money on other things but they didn’t they voted to spend it on the military build-up.

    The US imposed itself as the ‘defender of the free world’ often against the wishes of those been ‘defended’.

    To listen to the American Firsters it’s as if the world forced the role of policeman on to a reluctant US but the truth is it was eager to take the position and use for its own ends.

    I think many around the world would have preferred an honest broker to US meddling.

    And that is what the world needs an honest policeman and again the US and Americans could help in doing good but I fear the Trump administration and the Firsters would like to do the wrong thing for the wrong reason.
     
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  13. MeAgain

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    Trump says Korean War vets parents asked him to bring their son's remains home.
    The average age of Korean War vets is 87. The average age of their parents....110.
     
  14. Flagme15

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    The problem is that the United States has no interest in protecting the world "community". It is only interested in protecting it's corporate interests. Which has been the case for decades.

    I think the US should get out of the Korean peninsula, and let N and S Korea work out their differences. Maybe that would lead to reunification
     
  15. MeAgain

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    Strange, I seem to recall the Marshall Plan, the Berlin Air Lift, the reconstruction of Japan, giving up the Panama Canal, rebuilding South Korea, billions in foreign aid, improvements in drinking water, sanitation, food crops, and disease control, the Peace Corp, natural disaster relief, education, and gender equality, etc..

    Funny how people forget how giving the American people are.
     
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  16. Flagme15

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    Umm, that's not "protecting the world community". Most of that is rebuilding what we destroyed.
     
  17. MeAgain

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    I see. We destroyed Europe, Japan, and South Korea? I wasn't aware that we invaded South Korea, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Denmark, France, etc.

    Not to mention our destructive tsunamis, hurricanes, famines, and diseases.

    Yes, the United States, the great Satan.
     
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  18. egger

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    N.Y. Attorney General Sues Trump Foundation After 2-Year Investigation
    By Danny Hakim
    June 14, 2018

    N.Y. Attorney General Sues Trump Foundation After 2-Year Investigation

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    "The New York State attorney general’s office filed a scathingly worded lawsuit on Thursday taking aim at the Donald J. Trump Foundation, accusing the charity and the Trump family of sweeping violations of campaign finance laws, self-dealing and illegal coordination with the presidential campaign.

    The lawsuit, which seeks to dissolve the foundation and bar President Trump and three of his children from serving on nonprofit organizations, was an extraordinary rebuke of a sitting president. The attorney general also sent referral letters to the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission for possible further action, adding to Mr. Trump’s extensive legal challenges.

    The lawsuit, filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, culminated a nearly two-year investigation of Mr. Trump’s charity, which became a subject of scrutiny during and after the 2016 presidential campaign. While such foundations are supposed to be devoted to charitable activities, the petition asserts that Mr. Trump’s was often improperly used to settle legal claims against his various businesses, even spending $10,000 on a portrait of Mr. Trump that was hung at one of his golf clubs."
     
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  19. egger

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    Refer to the Art of the Self-Deal post about Trump's portrait purchased with charity money and 'stored' at one of his golf courses for people to see.

    The Donald Trump Score Card
     
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  20. egger

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    Trump's sleight of hand that he uses for convincing people about his supposed accomplishments, such as the wall.


    Trump is a genius at touting nonexistent achievements
    by Max Boot
    June 14 at 1:33 PM

    Opinion | Trump is a genius at touting nonexistent achievements

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    "When it comes to economics, history, foreign policy, health care, tax policy or any other field that it is important for a president to master, Donald Trump is an invincible ignoramus. But when it comes to salesmanship, Trump is an unparalleled genius — he is Dale Carnegie, P.T. Barnum and David Ogilvy rolled into one. His central insight is that in the post-truth, social media age, it is no longer necessary to achieve anything in order to claim a policy victory. You can just say over and over that you’ve accomplished your goals — and a lot of people will believe you even if it’s just not so.

    This is why Trump says he is already building his border wall with Mexico even though Congress has not appropriated money for it and Mexico hasn’t volunteered to pay for it, as he once said it would. The president even tweeted photos of a wall being built. On closer examination, however, this turned out to be a section of fencing that was in the works before his election. But Trump no doubt assumes that his followers will never notice the fact checks from the “fake news media,” and, even if they do, will never believe them."
     
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