Feminism has improved women's rights, what men's rights need work?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by OrleansWordsmith, May 20, 2018.

  1. DeNuttySquirrel

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    Changing tables in all restrooms. I have been to restaurants, stores, bathrooms where there were no changing tables for infants. I just look and think, do they not think men not change their children. When I was in a place that didn't have them I would find a shelf, table, or booth and change my son.
     
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  2. OrleansWordsmith

    OrleansWordsmith Moderate anarchist

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    I hope you also complained to the management. If they don't want you to change your infant son on their tables, put in a changing table in the men's room. Or better yet! USE THE WOMEN's room changing table. I wanna see them arrest you for changing your baby in there! Non violent protest works. Or have a unisex bathroom that everybody can use. there are so many solutions.
     
  3. DeNuttySquirrel

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    I think that I did use a woman's restroom in one store...After I had a woman check that it was empty first.
     
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  4. Men deserve the same thing women are after, which is for every man to be perceived as masculine no matter what he does. People act like gay men can't be manly, for instance. Yes they can. If a guy likes poetry and books instead of crafting canoes using only a Swiss army knife, he is manly, too.

    Sometimes girls will be like, "Men, don't be afraid to be masculine. We like that." What if I said, "Women, don't be afraid to be feminine. Men like that." Then it's sexist.

    It means so many different things to be a man. Life isn't easy. It's no more difficult for Joe Lumberjack than it is for Johnny Femme. What does it mean to be a man if not all these hardships we overcome? All men are men. Men of all types have sacrificed everything for noble causes. I think it's morally wrong to say anyone isn't a man, therefore. We are not cavemen. We are a diverse collection of people going through the human struggle that has been undergone countless times before. You can't just take one stereotype and say, "That's what it means to be a man." That would be a disgrace.
     
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  5. OrleansWordsmith

    OrleansWordsmith Moderate anarchist

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    And, of course the same issues apply to women in a different manner. If a man is queeny, that is as masculine as a woman working on her car is feminine, because a woman doing what she likes and being herself is feminine. A man being how he is is masculine. There is the middle of the bell curve and the edges. Masculinity and femininity span the spectrum. However, I think the tolerance for masculine diversity has only recently been embraced, and not wholly. But anyone who can carve a canoe with a Swiss Army Knife, that is just straight butch! :)
     
  6. OrleansWordsmith

    OrleansWordsmith Moderate anarchist

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    If it's a single men's lockable bathroom... I have been in too many to recall. Women's single bathrooms are quite often taken up for long periods in small restaurants and I just go where I can find a toilet! In those cases, no need to ask. But as a guy, just lift the seat!!!
     
  7. Noserider

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    And the sad part is, it's other men not taking them seriously.

    Seems men are not "allowed" to be vulnerable, but it's not women who are enforcing that standard.
     
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  8. OrleansWordsmith

    OrleansWordsmith Moderate anarchist

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    Western culture enforces the strong, silent stereotype and no man can allow himself to be abused by a woman... Though it's sexual assault for a woman to engage in sex with an underage male, this isn't taken as sexual abuse as the flip script would be. Those boys are being victimized by a woman as much as a girl would be being victimized by an adult male. This is the other double standard.
     
  9. Noserider

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    Yes, and I've noticed a pattern in regards to that in recent years.

    Back in the day of TV news and newspapers, you'd get the news and that was it. In the internet age, you get the news, and then comments from a bunch of other people who just absorbed the same news. So, now we get to see how other people are responding to these same stories.

    And I have to say that while men complain about women not being treated as harshly for things like statutory rape, I also see men saying things like how awesome that was! How come I never had a teacher like that? Or, my favorite, kids are mature enough to determine their own gender but not who they sleep with?

    Too many of them dismiss it as something cool. They themselves admit how when they were in 8th grade they wanted to sleep with their teachers too. So, sorry, gentlemen. You can't have it both ways. You can't complain about a double standard you're perpetuating.
     
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  10. Deidre

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    So true, sadly. I’ve read some news stories too where a wife is physically assaulting her husband, the cops are called and the guy is arrested.

    Pretending that only women can be victims and marginalizing men, has become part of the radical feminist agenda. I’m not sure why some feminists think that we are all shrinking violets and shouldn’t bear responsibility for how we as women, treat men.
     
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  11. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    The whole idea of this arbitrary line drawn at the turn-eighteen mark is silly, in my opinion. I've been in societies where once a person becomes pubescent, they're free to exercise their sexual adventure with whomever they choose. This eighteen thing hurts both people younger and older.
     
  12. Vanilla Gorilla

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    I disagree pretty much totally, and the more so the older I get as I see what happens to males my age and what they turn into

    Custody rights should be about the probability of whats going to be best for the children......not about some fuzzy wuzzy equal opportunity campaign

    Designed is probably not the correct word, but overall women are just designed to look after children better, better at bonding with other kids parents, less aggressive , and just that little more interested in that role in itself, just more comfortable with just sitting around chit chatting with the childs other relatives


    Grumpy old man syndrome, there are just way too many guys, especially as they get older that are just these always agitated at everything dickheads that never really learned to control their anger....then aside from that just too many that simply just get weird and creepy...or drinking, drugs, gambling problems....or too overly comcerned with getting to meet early 20 something women

    Especially with young kids, it isnt just enough that a stay at home dad type isnt aggressive, he also has to actually have an interest in sitting around chit chatting with the other moms at the kids pre school, or saturday sports, eventually so the kid has friends outside school hours....if he is always a miserable so n so, or too pervy he is just going to scare away all the other kids mums, thus scare away all the other kids from his kid

    To me a 10/90% or 20/80% split in custody results between male and female, sounds about right. Of course there are some moms that are going to be train wrecks ( usually because or an alcohol or drug addiction), and of course there are a small percentage of guys that are going to be just as social as any soccer mom....but at a 10% male to a 90% female split.....and thats never really going to change
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

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    As for pay equality, there isnt pay equality between men

    And I have seen it a thousand times, especially with management roles, over 6 ft, over 40, all his hair, and they will just get promoted ahead of everyone else, ahead of guys that may be smarter, know the job better, but be shorter

    Whereas the IT consultants nowadays, they have a cousin that just finished Uni, he will get straight in to his uncles work place, next to no chance if you arent Indian/Pakistani

    And the way my country is, Tradesmen, Truck Drivers end up earning more than GPs do or even some dentists working in these franchise dental places

    So if I want my kitchen re-tiled, I have to wait a month for the honour of paying through the nose for some dumbass that left high school in yr 10, worked out about 3 times more per hour than the last time I needed a tooth extracted
     
  14. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Yikes!
    :(

    Best argument for learning to DIY yet.
     
  15. YouFreeMe

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    Do you think this phenomenon is exclusively or markedly more prominent between men? I thought attractive people tended to be favored in both sexes. They call it "the Halo effect."
     
  16. wilsjane

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    In the UK, Their is no law against men entering a ladies toilet area for a valid reason.
    As a theater engineer and during a 12 year engineering project at Heathrow airport, I did so on an almost daily basis to check on plumbing and electrical systems. Hardly anyone even noticed, let alone feel alarmed.
    I have seen men using the baby changing room in a ladies toilet on numerous occasions and no one seemed bothered in the slightest.
    A lot of smaller buildings solve any potential problems by combining baby changing facilities with a unisex disabled toilet.
    However it is against the law for a woman to enter a mens toilet, due to the open urinal area where men would be exposed. Female customs and immigration officers are exempt.
     
  17. wilsjane

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    I can just imagine walking into a police station and complaining that Jane nearly poked my eye out with her nipples. LMAO. :yum::yum::yum:
     
  18. themnax

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    the right to be considerate
    the right to honestly accept feeling their emotions (this doesn't mean trusting them, which would be illogical and potentially dangerous, and equally so, for any gender)
    the right to realize the owe it to no one to maintain an aggressive front
    the right to be non-aggressive, and to recognize and acknowledge when aggressiveness is inappropriate.
     
  19. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Everybody freeze; we're doing an immigration inspection! ;)

    I was in another country a couple years ago and came across the baño cerrado portable barrier sign in the men's room doorway. Peeking inside, the cleaning girl looked up from mopping and signaled to the urinal like "go ahead, use it". Well, I'm not embarrassed; I verify in Spanish and yeah, no problemo! Cool. I'm peeing, she's going about her business, it's all good. I make sure she gets a complete view of my whole package as I finish up, shake it out several times more than needed and it's puffing up. I put it all back in slowly and contemplatively, facing her as she watches, she gives me a nice big smile, I say muchas gracias disculpe la molestia and she responds a sus órdenes. If I hadn't been leading a group and on a schedule, I would have conversed more and may have extended an invitation -- I think she probably would have accepted. She looked pretty interested. I'd guess she was between 16 and 20.

    Sure does matter where in the world ya are!
     
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  20. themnax

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    this whole gender thing, i believe everyone of all genders and whatever variations,
    have an absolute right to owe nothing,
    to anyone's expectations of whatever their gender happens to be.

    i just really, i don't believe in gender based behaviors, that there is any rationality in expecting them,
    other then a kind of cultural inertia, which is the only reason those expectations exist at all.
     

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