If Trump were to be impeached...

The thing that worries me is that right's typical moral indignation doesn't apply to Trump.

Evangelical Christians are capable of ignoring the fact that he had sex with a porn star, cheats on his wife, sexually assaults women, doesn't believe in God, etc. The gun nuts/RWNJs think all of this is simply a liberal plot to take out the one guy who is capable of making America free. There is enough mistrust in the media and enough paranoid conspiratorial mindsets for people to doubt it all. Plus, he says the right things and people are stupid enough to think that he believes them. Look at what happened with Rob Ford... people were MORE likely to believe his lies about his policies working because his drug addiction and blunt talk humanized him, made everyone think he had nothing to hide.

The fact that people were stupid enough to vote for Trump in the first place makes me worry that if we have to rely on the 2020 election to get Trump out, it won't work.

 

I think many evangelical Christians saw Pence as someone to balance things and maybe that swayed their votes. Although many Christians vote republican no matter what.

 

You obviously don't know any Trump supporters.

 

I am really counting on the people who voted for him but aren't 'supporters'.

 

Yes. I agree. It all depends on the amount and nature of the evidence. If it shows definite collusion with the Russians, election campaign law violations, etc., we'll see whether there are still patriots left who value moral integrity or whether the country is so corrupt that it deserves the degenerate leadership it keeps in power. If so, I doubt that the country we used to know and love will survive. Interesting to watch. I think the Christian evangelicals have discredited themselves by their Devil's bargain.

 

Trump is going to win in a land slide in 2020.

1. Hes doing a good job

2. The left has really shown how nutty they are

3. The only thing they have to run on is Trump is a racist pussy grabber and lets ban AR15s

 

I don't think people voted for trump because of pence.

agreed

so trump lost by three million votes, yet you say he will win in a landslide. you are saying that those three million will suddenly switch their vote.
ain't going to happen.

1. no he's not. he's not doing anything.
2. the left is showing how intelligent they are. intelligence, something that is not part of the right wing vocabulary.
3. wrong again.

 

Will be a bigger landslide than 2016? What about the crowds? 10 billion gazillion people this time? Will he go down in history as the best president ever? Better than Lincoln, Washington and Jefferson PUT TOGETHER? Will women be sending him love letters daily? Will his second inauguration be frequented by the biggest acts, the most popular superstars, and every supermodel in the world... all of them begging him for sex?

There will always be people like you who don't care about reality and vote only because you hate leftists for reasons you probably don't even understand, but I am fairly certain a lot of people are gradually coming around to the fact that they were conned.

 

Yeah the left is showing their intelligence alright. Their lack of it.

 

I think many people on both sides, only vote against the opposition. Clinton as President would have been just as bad ...just a different kind of bad.

We need a new system. The two party system, as if that’s all there is, isn’t working.

I don’t like/respect Trump as a person but like some of his ideas. I’m hoping an independent rises up someday.

 

They aren't his ideas... he was just saying what Cambridge Analytica and the DNC hackers told him to say, because they knew it was what you wanted to hear. It didn't actually matter if it was feasible, if it would ruin the economy, if it was more about scapegoating all things foreign... all that mattered is that it made you feel a certain way.

I honestly think Trump was saying what he said mostly because CA told him that 'normal' people were also saying it... it didn't matter that those 'normal' people didn't have a clue. He said it because it got a response, because it made him feel good about himself. He might even do it if it made him feel good about himself, but the GOP knows that it would wreck everything and they won't let him.

Clinton as president would have been a better kind of bad, not just as bad. The problem was that, like Obama, she overestimated the American people-- their decency, their intelligence, their ability to reason. You can't seriously compare dismantling the EPA, defunding climate research, provoking North Korea, empowering and emboldening racists, trade wars, and the daily string of embarrassments that some Americans apparently don't even realize are embarrassments to what Clinton would have done.

2016 was the year that America traded its dignity and decency for a lot of false hope and damages that will probably topple it as the dominant superpower in the world. All of this isn't just going to go away after he leaves... there will be consequences.

I don't know... maybe America never actually had that much decency or dignity to begin with.

 

I don’t share your sentiment about Hillary Clinton. The system is flawed and almost encourages corruption, sadly.

 

It's hard for people to admit that they were/are wrong. Embarrassing even. It becomes more evident every day that this guy is is totally unfit to lead much of anything. He's dumb enough to lie about his orange self staying in Russia overnight back in 2013. And as usual, when someone checks the facts ----he has lied about it. And so easily checked as to be ridiculous. It's going to be WONDERFUL if he has to testify to Mueller. I'm not religious, but I am going to pray to something that this happens.

 

Corruption is the least of your problems right now.

Even if everything that the raving loons on right wing news channels said were true, at the very least she wouldn't have defunded NASA because the oil companies want to make money by essentially dooming millions of people to famine, displacement, war and disease (because they won't actually be around to see it, so it doesn't matter). That alone is reason enough NOT to vote for the fraud.

Oh, and she wouldn't be utterly humiliating America every single day by exposing her ignorance of the position she was elected to. We would be slowly edging closer to Scandinavian-style social democracy, concession by concession, as opposed to falling to some sort of quasi-fascist racist wannabe authoritarianism.

I seriously cannot believe that anyone would look at a guy who is treating the White House like a fucking mafia headquarters, shamelessly practicing nepotism as if he were a fucking king... and think that Hillary's supposed corruption is just as bad. It isn't even close to being as bad. You have a family of Christian fascists trying to defund public schools so that they can teach children that evolution is a lie, and the fucking head of a private army who was involved in child prostitution overseas playing a role in it all (Betsy DeVos' brother is Erik Prince).

I honestly wouldn't give a fuck if Hillary Clinton personally stole my entire life savings and spent it on high-class prostitutes for Bill-- she is still infinitely better than the shitshow I am seeing today.

 

Lol

Well...putting it that way...

 

I forgot about the Islamophobe and warmonger who believed in the prophecy of a Muslim-Christian Holy War and would have gladly supported a full-blown genocide in the Middle East. People knew he was there... didn't give a shit, still voted for Trump because he told everyone he would make the rest of the world pay for what it had done to poor defenseless America. Buying into this type of persecution complex is how fascist states begin.

 

It was a grand experiment, this country of freedom and laws and civility ( at least aspired to) and a welcome respite for those oppressed people from elsewhere around the world. I never in my wildest imagination could have anticipated THIS person being elected to THIS job. Will we, as a country, ever live this travesty down? Why would any other country respect what this PERSON has to say at any time?

 

But I don’t really like either Trump or Clinton. That’s the problem, I hope a diff party rises up.

 

I'm thinking that the only way third-fourth or more parties can rise , is getting money completely out of politics. Debates could be on C-Span (which we own) and/or the three main TV organizations--CBS,NBC,ABC, (not cable)could be forced to carry them for nothing. That way, even those with rabbit ear antennas could be involved in the gathering of info. Don't suppose a law that forbid incumbent or aspiring politicians to forgo ANY mention of their opponents would work. They could only talk about their ideas for the country. (What a dreamer!) The BIGS have the whole rig pretty well under control.

 

I think other parties are going to have to win local elections first. I don't know if we'll ever have a third-party president who hadn't already made a splash as a governor or senator somewhere.

Gary Johnson was probably the most-well known "other" candidate the past two elections and despite being a two-term governor, he barely made a ripple. But I think that's where it begins. If we had a bunch of third party mayors, governors and congressmen, the chance for third party representation in the White House becomes a real option.