After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    How is the ladder argument insane. It puts into perspective the small number of people that get killed by psychos with AR15s.

    There is some word for it in psychology where we fear things that are unlikely because we hear about it all the time.

    Its like more people die texting while driving than in airplane crashes. People arent really scared of texting while driving, but get nervous flying because everytime a plane crashes its front page news.
     
  2. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    No it hasnt
     
  3. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    You need to stop being so sure of yourself.
     
  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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  5. storch

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    And then there's the anti-gun nuts who think that the problem is the people who don't share their nutty idea that gun owners are weak little men.

    I think it's been made clear in this thread that those responsible for performing background checks, and the law enforcement responsible for doing something about wackos who say they want to be a professional school shooter, should be the target of the anti-gun nut's ire. But that's not what's happening. They're taking the course of least resistance, which, in this case, amounts to delivering personal attacks against gun owners.
     
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  6. Asmodean

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    Happily almost all pro gun control folks in this thread are willing to consider those points, and also agree that better enforcement of existing laws could be a big part of the solution already. I think you are overly focussing on a very tiny minority.

    There have been a lot of that in this thread unfortunately. Mostly from certain anti gun control folks though. So that's probably why one person choose to return the favor to 'the other side'. Not an excuse of course. No personal attacks are needed. But if you're against personal attacks in general you will acknowledge it was practically asked for.
     
  7. Okiefreak

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    The big problem with the ladder analogy is that ladders are not designed to kill people, and deaths can be reduced by constructing safer ladders (the Consumer Product Safety Commission works on that) and using them properly. Guns are designed to kill people. As for handguns, let's consider regulating those, too. Knives have other uses besides killing people, and are less efficient doing it than rapid fire guns. They are used in short-range hand-to-hand combat, and by the time the killer has taken care of one or two people the rest are likely to have escaped.
     
  8. machinist

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    But thats not the point of the ladder analogy.
     
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    storch said:
    No it's not. You just need to believe that so that you can continue being a stereotypical stereotyper.
    Seems you quoted the wrong person. It looks like you ment to quote machinist.
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    You're confused. I was addressing Kerri. Go look at the exchange again.
     
  10. machinist

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    You must not be aware of the killer in China who offed 27 people in a train with a knife.
     
  11. Okiefreak

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    What is the point of the ladder analogy?
     
  12. machinist

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    Thats the other thing leftists do. Instead of acknowledging your opponent might be right and working with that its just nope youre completely wrong i am right.
     
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    No, I didn't ask to be insulted. The person who included a negative stereotype of people who own a gun was asking for it.
     
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  14. machinist

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    Oh my god. I already went through that. Post number 1547
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    As a matter of fact, I'm not. Can you provide a source and link for that?
     
  16. machinist

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    No no storch, you are always wrong, and the way they see reality is ultimate truth
     
  17. MeAgain

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    I'll address it, just to show how stupid it is.
    knives are regulated as to carrying, possession, types, mechanisms, and blades in many parts of the country. There is federal regulation, The 1958 Federal Switchblade Act.
    Knife laws by state.

    Ladders are regulated under OSHA:
    • Part Number: 1926
    • Part Title: Safety and Health Regulations for Construction
    • Subpart: X
    • Subpart Title: Stairways and Ladders
    • Standard Number: 1926.1053
    • Title: Ladders.
    • GPO Source: e-CFR
    I believe there are 86 regulations that pertain, if I counted correctly.

    Handguns are also regulated, especially those on various assault weapons lists.
     
  18. machinist

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    Ok whats your point
     
  19. MeAgain

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    It was
    It was ten terrorists with long knives in a coordinated attack.
     
  20. Okiefreak

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    What would you have people do about the ladder menace? I think we fear them less because many folks like me think we have more control over ladders, can judge their safety, and take measures to use them safely. Accidents do happen., but they are accidents. The victims are usually people who use them. Mass shootings are not accidents, and people can't control them. And the victims aren't the people who use them. So the ladder analogy is faulty.
     
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