After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

Either be open to change gun laws or be honest that you're okay with the number and frequency of kids getting murdered in school to satisfy your personal fetish.

 

And how would you like them changed?

 

This is always the response. I don't have a perfect answer and that doesn't invalidate the need for genuine discussion in working toward a solution. I don't know how to cure cancer either but I do know we need to try - and not trying speaks volumes in both cases

 

Surely you didn't think that someone wouldn't ask you.

 

Yes of course I thought that. It's always asked because its easier to respond with a single idea for gun control can't help than acknowledge that if you're not willing to consider gun control then you're implicitly condoning the kids being murdered

 

I wish you would rewrite that, as it is not clear.

But if you're willing to consider gun control, and then criticize those who you think do not, then you must have an idea of what must be done.

 

People ask what ideas I have because they want to refute them. Refuting ideas on gun control is easier than having to honestly address the need for it, and its easier than admitting our gun laws contribute to kids being shot in school. Is that more clear?

I am not committed to any specific policy change. I do however believe there is a correlation to access to guns and use of guns and if I want to change the latter we need to address the former

 

People ask what ideas you have because you push the idea of gun control. I just asked you to be specific. If you're not committed to any specific policy change, then that's your answer.

 

I'm committed to the idea that what we're doing isn't working and isn't likely to suddenly start working for no reason. I'm completely open to what the specific changes need to be

 

Yes, I get that you're open to changes. I'm asking you what changes you are advocating.

 

Are you open to changes?

 

Why are you ignoring my question?

 

I did. Remember - "People ask what ideas you have because you push the idea of gun control. I just asked you to be specific. If you're not committed to any specific policy change, then that's your answer."

I'm not committed to a specific change. I'm committed to the need for change

 

Alright then. I think I recall you saying something about people who think they need a gun to feel safe at home. If that was you who said that, then I can kind of guess at the specifics of your idea of gun control.

 

You're welcome to guess all you want. Are you open to gun control or are you okay with the way things are?

That could have been me that said that. I do think there are many people, I won't call out anyone specifically, who both vastly overrate the net safety a gun provides and also vastly overrate the actual danger that they are in. Even if you took every failed attempt at a crime in a gun owners home and attributed that 100% to the gun, that's a tiny percentage of the population at large. "Safety" in the context of the discussion on gun control, is a red herring.

 

Regardless if you can find some individuals who would be for a total ban of all guns in public (not sure Kerri is one of them at all btw. I actually don't think so), it doesn't render the general idea of improving gun control as useless or unwanted. You agree?

Wether it means better enforcement of existing rules that only seem good when readed/in theory, but not yet in reality. Or changing them for the better. Whatever that's gonna entail. It's meaningful if one cares about this pointless loss of life to partake in constructive debate instead of refuting everything by default because 'they're gonna take our guns!' (unlikely the case for responsible gun owners), or 'its against the second amendement, i might need to battle my government with an AR15 one day'.

 

Are you willing to consider for even a moment that the change may not be more gun control but better enforcement of the already existing controls? If all existing laws were enforced, the number of incidents would be reduced far more than any of the recent attempts at banning firearms accomplished.

 

Better enforcement of existing gun control is of course also a form of improving gun control. It would be great if the problem would just be a lack of enforcing some laws that already exist and seem adequate in potential.

 

Sure. That might be some or all of the solution though it’s not likely that there is only one answer. Stricter laws might also be some or all of tne solution. Agree?