Democrats clean house, Republicans embrace sexual improprieties.

Totally agree. And the Republican conservatives at their core value believe the Democrats support the killing of unborn babies, a class of crime far worse in their world. So again its the lesser of 2 evils to put into office as far as they view it.

They won't change those views be it now or 40 years ago. Moore is clearly hated by the Republicans. Trump was a moral idiot for supporting him. But in a close race in a state where Trump won by a 60% percentage of votes, he can't afford to politically risk the seat to a baby killing Democrat. If he can swing enough votes to go to Moore, they see it as worth it. In other races support from Trump became their dooming. Not in a state where they like him.

How will the Dems feel if the seat given up by Franken, goes to a Republican? Politics will again win out over ethics.

 

You hit on a GREAT point. The feeding of info by the chosen media sources. Dems will eat anything CNN feeds them as fact and Reps will do the same with Fox. They both fabricate a version of reality they want to present.

 

Right, what a misleading headline. She added a date, she didnt alter what he wrote

 

Its more of a credibility thing

you know..like she and her lawyer originally said it was all written by him..and now they came out with the actual.truth...its kind of like trumps twitter person accidentally adding "lied to the fbi" on a tweet ..we cant let little slip up like that go un-noticed..whether is was intentional or not it becomes a fact when they say it

"rolleyes:

 

Because the Clinton Foundation is named for and its families namesake are all of the officers. Anyone that contributes and supports it is thereby supporting a charity who's namesake and primary fundraiser is at the least, was a sexual predator to a young intern while in office, and at the worst has multiple credible complaints including rape, by strings of women that came forward all the way back to his days as governor of Arkansas. Just seems like it should be an easy ethical choice to make to force its liquidation and wipe it off the planet to improve the image of the Dems.

THE FACT THAT IT MAY PROVIDE GOOD should be a moot point if we are discussing ethics. Franken (who did what he did how many years ago) provided good, Conyers provided good etc etc etc. So what.

Traitors to the Union do not make them traitors to everyone. I think we should abolish George Washington University. He did after all own and use slaves. Jefferson did as well.

You can't choose to ignore Bill Clintons deeds and then decide that statutes of dead southern officers from 100+ years ago represent someone's values now.

And please don't accuse me of supporting Moore or Trump because I do NOT. That always seems to be the fallback for any dissenting view of a died in the wool Democrat. If the Dems can't manage to beat Trump or an accused child molester, they need to completely overhaul everything they claim to represent.

 

There is greater consensus that child molestation is a bad thing than that abortion is, but the conservative Republican voters may have to sort that out. They may think Doug Jones is a "baby killer" by defending a woman's legal right to choose. The abortion issue probably hurt Hillary, too. It was the reason my sister threw her vote away on a write-in candidate, even though she despises Trump. When she complains about Trump, I remind her she has no standing. The fact that such an over-the-top ignorant jackass as roy Moore has made it to the primaries speaks loads about the mentality of Republican voters in the state. I hope Moore wins, and becomes an albatross around the neck of Republicans nationally in the long run.

Hang onto your Confederate dollars, Ms. Scarlett. The South is risin' again! In fact, it done took over! But traitors to the Union are still traitors, as are their sympathizers. Roy Moore said just yesterday that the time America was greatest was the slave era in the ol' Antebellum South. Maybe KKK rednecks in Alabama still feel that way, but folks like me feel strongly that slavery sucked and so did the degenerate system that fostered it. My history may be a bit fuzzy. Did Washington and Jefferson fight against the Union in the Civil War? However bad Bill's misdeeds may be, I don't think they quite measure up to treason. How could anyone possibly have gotten the idea that you support Moore and Trump, just cuz you've dragged out every bogus argument anybody could dig up to suggest that hasbeen presidents are just as bad or worse? If Republican scumbags like Moore win Senate seats, I don't think its the Dems that "need to completely overhaul everythng they claim to represent.

 

I wouldn't go that far. Lmao!

I think that it's a freaking conundrum. Republicans have up and decided that their way is the only way. Perhaps, what is the other guys name?, Jones or whoever it is will win instead, but every news report I've heard mentions Alabama sticking to its guns. Makes my skin crawl.

I don't want to offend anyone, but I think it's time to let go of Moore and let the Democrats take a crack at it.

 

Was sorry that Senator Franken had to go. The transgressions were seemingly from his time as a comedy entertainer, these are held to a different standard then say white collar office workers. The initial accuser had stated forgiveness.
Our current exercise in cleansing sexual violators did not begin with Harvey Weinstein, it began on the pages of the NY Times where pervvy priests were gleefully outed on the basis of moral hipocracy in the church. Media junkies will remember the Tailhook scandal. Sex scandals seem to be about smearing your ideiological opponents as exposing crime.
Ronnan Farrow, who wrote the Vanity Fair piece on Harvey Weinstein is a New Yorker and familar with The NY.Times stories.

We all do remember the ugly partisan Clinton scandals; The Times fed us polls showing Mr. Clinton held in good regard by the public. He won election to an second term because other issues were judged more crucial by the voters.

As for our Perv-in-Chief, he became famous from casinos, beauty pagents and reality TV. any accusations are just a pile-on to my mind.

Saw Senator Franken's address on MSNBC. He cheapened his whole address by referencing Moore & Trump. Just cheap partisan trash talk.

Alabama voters are fully aware of Roy Moore who has been infamous for some time,for different matters. Lets just see what those voters will do.

 

I think the need to "win" for Republicans is greater then any moral. They understand that an elected Republican can always be made to step down and replaced with another Republican. A true election is a risk to that even in a place like Alabama where it's honestly unlikely anything but a Republican would win. It's a culture war and nothing matters but the "triggering of democrat's".

If they could come up with rational reason I would listen but that is the reason I am given.

 

In a court of law, my country considers people innocent until proven guilty, where infliction of punishment is concerned. In the court of public opinion, where people are running for public office, voters make up their minds on the basis of their assessment of the credibility of the evidence. How do they do it in Canada, eh?

 

we tend to just switch the party next time elections come along

then we deal with the charges and generally its just a big waste of time and the accused gets a payout for their trouble

wash rinse repeat....wash rinse repeat

 

They do it the same way in Trinidad too!

 

Accuser admits-blah, blah. Debunked.

 

For the record. I oppose Moore. I also oppose Donald Trump. And I oppose any Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. I also think Bush was a joke. I think Obama was a good man who meant well, he was just not ready to be a president. I hope that his healthcare plan gets repaired and not repealed. I hope some of his other policies get repealed. I spread my distaste or my favoritism across all party lines. I both support and reject what each party stands for. I just don't think that Demonizing any of them will do anything but make the Democrats eat more crow when they have to answer to the misgivings of their own party members. The Dems are far from any moral high grounds. But of course, I appear to be a Republican sympathizer for saying this. Look inward to your party to figure out why it isn't working. Don't simply blame it on Rebublicans.

What I find interesting is why I don't see a Democrat questioning why if he was a child molester etc why it was kept quiet until a month before an election. He was a sitting judge in Alabama for christ sake. Never was he removed for or even made mention of him being a child molester at that time. Seems to me that would have been an easy take down. I see at as a convenient political motive is all. In my opinion Moore is a bum in more ways than transgressions of 30+ years ago. But all we hear about is what might have happened 30+ years ago, maybe because we can't beat him any other way.

I am an American and will vote for what I think is right, or against what I feel is wrong, no matter the party affiliation. Now if it doesn't agree with someone elses view so be it. I'll keep as much of my tax dollars to myself and avoid demonizing anyone because they feel differently than I do. I was trying to explain why Moore will be voted on by possible swing Republicans, that see him as the lesser of 2 evils. I saw a spot where Alabama Senator Shelby a Republican stated that he will vote Republican, but it won't be for Moore. That is a far better approach than Trump has taken. One I'm sure the Dems are THRILLED to hear as that will means at least one less votes for Moore.

At the end of that day I give a rats ass about NONE of my political leaders. As none represent that way I feel......period.

 

I'm pretty sure I said this exact thing at the start of this.

Unless you live in Alabama and are a voter, what's the point in how you feel? You can't discredit the fact that Alabama may feel differently about him than you do. Until you walk a mile in someone else shoes, its hard to see how they see things differently than you. You see them as traitors if they don't view things like you.

If Moore gets elected and runs for president you can vote against him then. Maybe you will be in the majority then, or maybe you won't. His misgivings of 30+ years ago are not supposed to matter by then.

This country is clearly divided. Everyone can't understand why that's so based on how they feel. I've been a lot of places, seen a lot of things. All sides have a view based on things that we may not understand. I have NO IDEA why all of a sudden Trump got a HUGE number of disenfranchised Republicans to suddenly decide he was relevant. Until Obama summed it up. Trump ran a better campaign. Trump did the same to Republicans that he (Obama) had done to Democrats. Found the ones that had been ignored ( they use the word disenfranchised now), and energized them. And like it or not they may re-elect him ( I hope not). But I wasn't one of them and I don't live in their world. So I don't see Trump as they do. Making choices between Hillary And Donald is about the same task faced by Alabama tomorrow. Which piece of crap will do us the least amount of harm? Vote for them.