Is libertarianism about liberty or tyranny?

Discussion in 'Libertarian' started by Balbus, Mar 16, 2005.

  1. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    the words tyranny and liberty have become meaningless lately . . .
     
  2. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    Only because government has assumed the latter as a means of exercising the former.
     
  3. raven_star

    raven_star Member

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    except the people with the most money hoard not spend it. but a sales tax would hurt people who work for a living putting that car,bike for their kid,ect. that much further out of reach. i don't think people who work for there money should pay income tax on there labor.you could pay for this by razing the capital gain tax.
     
  4. wjh2657

    wjh2657 Guest

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    All of the above has happened under government regulation during the last 4 years. DO you really still trust the government? Laissez Faire simply puts industry back into the dog eat dog world and lets other businesses to take them on. We end up with more businesses, more jobs and lower prices. Income tax gives the government an inexaustable pool of money to do whatever they please with. The fiscal insanity has to end and it ends by taking the government out of the business cycle. IF the givernment income pool is restricted and they are required to stay with budget limits, they will downsize on their own.
     
  5. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    I think you can have a mix of libertarianism, utilitarianism and paternalism .Issues need to be looked at on a case by case basis. If the use and production of margarine and high fructose corn syrup was to be phased out, would this really be an infringement of anyone's civil liberties?
     
  6. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I know I'm about to use a fallacy known as the 'slippery slope' but I can't help myself.

    My answer to your question is no, not really, but I would be worried that phasing out unhealthy foods like that out could very well set the stage to phase out many other things... like salt (the film Demolition Man? Silly movie, but the making of all unhealthy foods illegal was featured in it, strangely).

    But as I said... slippery slope - but at the very least I think government should be careful about considering such things that you mention.
     
  7. Individual

    Individual Senior Member

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    Only a fool would hoard money in the way you appear to be implying. It would be like storing ice in a room kept at a temperature just above freezing. The best way to 'hoard' money you have earned/acquired is to spend or invest it on property or some form of investment that will maintain or increase its value relative to the money used to purchase it.

    I have to admit, I do like your idea of 'razing' the capital gains tax.

    More people might begin to demand government to operate under sound economic principles if 'everyone' were to bear the consequences or benefits equally of tax increases or decreases. As it is, government uses taxes and wealth disparity as the means of dividing us into groups who are pro/anti tax increases/decreases, with the same/similar tactics applied to every other issue, providing the illusion of benefitting a larger number at a cost to a lesser number who government promotes as villanous members of society.
     
  8. Gedio

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    The wealthy wouldn't have the chance to dominate with competition not limited by market regulations formed by lobbyists.

    All opposition to a truly libertarian idea fades away when people realize that socialist or mixed economies could easily form voluntarily societies, without the use of coercion or the threat of force or imprisonment to force anyone into it that didn't want to be there.
     
  9. Red Fox VII

    Red Fox VII Member

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    Safety nets are needed. Anyone against them is a fucking pig.
     
  10. Red Fox VII

    Red Fox VII Member

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    That's a good test of character. "Oh, you think safety net programs should be abolished so the wealthy can retain more of their wealth. Fucking pig!"
     
  11. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    I love the idea of a consumption tax to replace the income tax. I have to pay self-employment tax and it's around 25% regardless of how much I make. A consumption tax would give people so much more freedom to choose how they are taxed. Plus, it would be so much better for the environment and would encourage saving instead of indebtedness.
     
  12. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Debt is the ultimate control. Consider who we are indebted to these days, because it's a long list.
     

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