Noam Chomski: Antifa Is A Gift To The Right

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fueled by Coffee, Aug 19, 2017.

  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    If that's what she was trying to say, she certainly has a hard time communicating. As for your theory, I think most of us see a qualitative difference between the Nazis, Ruskies, and Chinese Commies with their death camps and gulags and anything we've known in the United States. Stalin killed 20 million of his own people; Mao killed 40 million. No country on earth lives up to the high ideals it espouses, but to suggest moral equivalence between Hitler and Stalin and Obama is laughable--or maybe worse. You complain about ideology, but that's what you're offering up to us.
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    As Okie said you can't equate Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Mao et al, to Obama.

    Furthermore modern communist China seems to be embracing capitalism very well.
     
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I think it's useful to keep in mind that the U.S. and its institutions are being targeted in a relentless propaganda war from Russia, made possible by modern computer technology and social media.
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/19/social-media-proganda-manipulating-public-opinion-bots-accounts-facebook-twitter
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/clint-watts-testimony-russias-info-war-on-the-us-started-in-2014
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/25/moscow-brings-its-propaganda-war-to-the-united-states/
    https://newrepublic.com/article/142344/russia-weaponized-fake-news-sow-chaos
    http://time.com/4783932/inside-russia-social-media-war-america/
    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/bots-trolls-and-state-media-how-russian-propaganda-machine-spread-fake-news-to-sway-u-s-election
    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-01-31/russian-propagandas-new-goals-create-confusion-sow-doubt
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-russian-propaganda-fake-news-election-experts-20161124-story.html
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/23/russia-propaganda-network-kremlin-bots-215520
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html
    The Russians have found plenty of allies in socially marginal elements whose disgruntlement with their own lives and insecurity in the face of perceived threats from trade, women, minorities and immigrants make them "useful idiots" (KGB terminology) in a propaganda war against their own country. The only defense is to use caution and good judgment in trying to sift "alternative facts" from real ones.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Such as good old Melvin Redick of Harrisburg, PA, who posted on Facebook during the election process last year.

    Turns out he was one of the first Russian attackers.
     
  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    And now Flynn Jr. one of the leading idiots carrying on about Hillary's pizza sex ring is under investigation!
     
  7. pineapple08

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    Hillary is dead politically anyway.
     
  8. Piney

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    Would swear that Hillary is running for 2020.

    MSNBC says her new book is required reading
     
  9. pineapple08

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    Land of the Dead.
     
  10. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    I don't see much of a moral difference between the Communists or the Nazis. They both supported a tyrannical ideology that led to the deaths of millions, and a legacy of cultural destruction and war torn poverty for years to come. You don't have to be a dictator to have corrupt tendencies that edge toward a one party rule, which happens to be a foundation of fascism.

    Marx wasn't an oppressive dictator. But sometimes I wish he was. Instead of all the tyrants he inspired with his big ideas.

    That way, communism and socialism could've been tried by the mastermind himself to yield the inevitable brutal results. And nobody would ever again argue, "true Marxist communism has never been tried." Fascism was tried by the masterminds who thought it up, and when the brutal results presented itself, hardly anybody cherishes fascism anymore.
     
  11. 6-eyed shaman

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  12. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I was more concerned that you seem to see no difference between the U.S. under Obama and those bloody dictatorships..
     
  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    How stupid. What age level is this ridiculous piece of propaganda aimed at? Do they read? Are they of voting age?
     
  14. pineapple08

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    Like the US south.
     

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