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#11 Wu Li Heron

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Posted March 20 2017 - 04:59 PM

it takes more then non-objecting.  tyranny isn't created by a lack of objection alone.  it requires a romance of the idea that hierarchy provides some benefit, in some way, to some one.

 

if non-objection were all, no one would object to living in trees or caves.  and personally, i believe that a great many people would be just as happy, if not a great deal more so, doing so.

 

almost everyone says they like toys and being able to enjoy them.  so do i.  the question this raises is about how much that is unpleasant are we willing to put up with, in order to do so.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Edmond Burke

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemoller

 

When all is fair in love, war, and politics people will put up with anything until it comes back to haunt them.


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Posted March 20 2017 - 05:09 PM

well coming back to haunt them, is what shouldn't have taken rocket science, for anyone to see.


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#13 Golden_Wheel

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Posted March 20 2017 - 05:25 PM

Who are they? Who do you believe they are coming for and why?

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Posted March 20 2017 - 05:34 PM

Our free press is supposed to call out violations of the Constitution. 



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Posted March 20 2017 - 05:43 PM

Our free press is supposed to call out violations of the Constitution. 

 

When the mayor of NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day they declined to sue the man because, being a billionaire, there was no money to be made. Likewise, few even made it headline news in the newspapers for the same reason. No money to be made, no public to appease, no constitution to uphold.



#16 Wu Li Heron

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Posted March 20 2017 - 05:50 PM

Who are they? Who do you believe they are coming for and why?

 

If I were black, I'd say the police,

If I were a hardcore leftist, I'd say the FBI,

If I were Mexican, I'd say ICE,

Etc, etc, etc,

However, a US senator wrote a book called, "To Harass Our People" comparing the IRS to the Nazi SS and showing the IRS has more power and abuses for political purposes. When our politicians, judges, and the wealthy can ignore the constitution and never pay the price you can take your pick. They are all pigs following the money and the guns wherever they lead.


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Posted March 20 2017 - 07:02 PM

What if you were right? Who is out to get the right?
Who is out to get the white?

Are you saying the IRS is out to get you? Who increased your taxes over the last 8 years?

Not only politicians, judges and the wealthy ignore the constitution, so do the poor, jobless, homeless and working class.

Piney, does the free press call out violations to the constitution ?

There is a book called The Great Destroyer: Barack Obama’s War on the Republicans

That book documents Obamas violation of the constitution. There are other books too.

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Posted March 21 2017 - 02:14 AM

our corporate press has been too long the mouthpiece of the corporate state.

there ARE independents. 

they don't claim to be without bias, nor, for the most part, are they. 

but they do cover what the mainstream too often won't. 

 

like wu said, there's no callories in doing the press' job. 

personally i don't find the left leaning press leaning as far as the openly fashist. 

but that's what you've got. 

the left press does cover what the corporate ignores and spikes, but doesn't have its resources. 

the extreme 'right' has as much or more of a vested interest in ignoring anything responsible and real as the corporate.

 

or to put it another way, anything honest and objective, or trying to be, even close to it, is going to be labled leftist regardless,

and again for the reasons wu mentioned.

 

you've got amy goodman, tyt, al jezera, and the russian thing, that, well some other country's propiganda WILL tell you things your own country won't.  which ever side of the pond you happen to live on.

then you've got the bloggers, who don't owe anybody any more truth then they can find, though most mean well, except, once again, the tea nazi's and even self proclaimed real nazi's are in on that game too.

 

incidentally, corporate personhood was introduced in the u.s. by ol honest abe lincoln.  well he had an excuse.  it was to get the railroads built to unite the north against the south. 

which had good reasons along with everything else. 

 

problems come when an immediate expedient becomes a tradition.

the worst thing obama did was to not be able to do what the republicans stood in the way of.

 

hillary wouldn't have done enough for the environment, but she certainly wouldn't have done the worst possible, which is the chumpster's self admitted priority.

she would also have gotten our pensioners our cost of living adjustment, unlike chump, who seems determined to eliminate them entirely.

 

of course there were better choices then either, but name recognition is the game, and that's what the corporate press gave the chump.


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Posted March 21 2017 - 03:17 AM

Do you believe that the travel ban imposed by Trump is violating the constitution? I ask this because it is not violating it. It is The leftist judges who are.violating the constitution. The judges are not suppose to be biased, yet they are. So anti Trump they disregard laws. So pro left they violate the constitution and laws. They are not suppose to take on the role as advancing a progressive policy agenda and exhibit little respect for the Constitution and rule of law when they might interfere with that agenda.

The travel ban is to protect all citizens in the USA from all religious backgrounds. Yet judges have denied this stating that it is directly against a religious faith when America has freedom of religion. The ban does not deny people based on religion, yet judges strike it down and make up their own laws for a "progressive" purpose. It is not the judges job make up laws or make them progress,

Judge Watson stated "The clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another." But even Watson admitted that the travel ban "does not facially discriminate for or against any particular religion, or for or against religion versus non-religion.". Yet he still denied the travel ban 2.0 submitted by Trump.

The judiciary review was not established so that The judiciary is superior to the legislative and executive branches, and accordingly, we have the right to just make stuff up. Yet that is precisely what has happening.

However, it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. This is not happening, but is suppose to.

As for Hilary, get over it, she lost. She was not honest. You will never know the damage she would have done, nor willl you acknowledge the damage she did do to the Democratic Party and the same for Obama. That party ripe with fascists.

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Posted March 21 2017 - 07:17 AM

 

incidentally, corporate personhood was introduced in the u.s. by ol honest abe lincoln.  well he had an excuse.  it was to get the railroads built to unite the north against the south. 

which had good reasons along with everything else. 

 

 

Lincoln did not introduce corporate personhood, which was introduced by the corporations themselves as an interpretation of the 14th amendment after Lincoln was long dead. The supreme court threw out their arguments repeatedly, but they simply kept taking the issue back to court until they got what they wanted. That's the best justice that money can buy where all you have to do is keep pushing something through the judicial system until you get whatever you want.

 

What Lincoln did was make it all too clear that the way forward was not growing cotton, slavery, or farming of any kind, but industrial power. The south killed 20 Yankees for every southerner and still lost the civil war thanks to the industrial power of the north.






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