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#21 penguinsfan13

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Posted March 15 2017 - 09:09 AM

Why Strange it's still going? The thread has been around a day?


Strange that there is anything to add that hasn't already.

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#22 blazefortwenty

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Posted March 15 2017 - 09:16 AM

You can't govern thoughts and private beliefs.  It is impossible and immoral.

 

Also, violent and irrational behavior is part of humanity, not just religious faith.  Ban the religion and violence will manifest elsewhere.

Religion governs thoughts and beliefs, it is brainwashed unto children under threat of damnation. Children think they are thinking freely but that is the grand lie of religion. It is a tyranny that the population chooses candidates based on their religion and you have to obey religion to be a politician! So why do we allow such tyranny to exist, and say it is a tyranny to remove such tyranny?? What hypocrasy!

 

I never said anything about banning violence, I have no problem with violence if it is done for noble reasons.

 

 

I can't believe any of you are sticking up for religion. Richard Dawkins would be sick to his stomach...

 

Isn't it enough that religion is a total, sick lie, that you should oppose its propogation in society? Or do we sit here and let lies fester until truth and freedom becomes an ancient myth?

There can be no freedom if there is no truth, lies are a weapon of tyranny. You mentioned Kim Jung 2, but he uses lies to keep himself in power.


Edited by blazefortwenty, March 15 2017 - 09:19 AM.

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#23 Okiefreak

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Posted March 15 2017 - 09:30 AM

I believe in his childhood, Stalin lived with a priest and even attended school to become a priest himself. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that perhaps some of these early experiences associated with religion, may have shaped some of his later behavior when he got in power. 

Pure  speculation. Most atheists started out in a religion. An obvious rationalization that could explain away inconvenient truths. Was Mao raised with priests? What about Lennin?


Edited by Okiefreak, March 15 2017 - 09:32 AM.


#24 Okiefreak

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Posted March 15 2017 - 09:38 AM

Religion governs thoughts and beliefs, it is brainwashed unto children under threat of damnation. Children think they are thinking freely but that is the grand lie of religion. It is a tyranny that the population chooses candidates based on their religion and you have to obey religion to be a politician! So why do we allow such tyranny to exist, and say it is a tyranny to remove such tyranny?? What hypocrasy!

 

I never said anything about banning violence, I have no problem with violence if it is done for noble reasons.

 

 

I can't believe any of you are sticking up for religion. Richard Dawkins would be sick to his stomach...

 

Isn't it enough that religion is a total, sick lie, that you should oppose its propogation in society? Or do we sit here and let lies fester until truth and freedom becomes an ancient myth?

There can be no freedom if there is no truth, lies are a weapon of tyranny. You mentioned Kim Jung 2, but he uses lies to keep himself in power.

Well too bad about Richard Dawkins. When confronted with facts inconsistent with your dogmas, you cover your ears, close your eyes and chant your atheist mantra. Are you sure you aren't religious? Anyone advocating violence to suppress much of humanity is a really sick puppy.


Edited by Okiefreak, March 15 2017 - 11:40 AM.


#25 penguinsfan13

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Posted March 15 2017 - 09:41 AM

 
I can't believe any of you are sticking up for religion. Richard Dawkins would be sick to his stomach....


I am not sticking up for religion. I am sticking up for people's freedoms.
And I could not give a shit less about Richard dawkins...but I would stick up for his freedoms just as I have everyone elses.

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#26 guerillabedlam

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Posted March 15 2017 - 10:23 AM

Pure speculation. Most atheists started out in a religion. An obvious rationalization that could explain away inconvenient truths. Was Mao raised with priests? What about Lennin?


In regards to Mao, I alluded to this in another post about North Korea, that the flavor of irreligosity in the East seems much different than that in the west...Applicable here.


I was responding to a post about death of millions, I was under the impression that implies Stalin. Of course I'm speculating, but are you really going to try and tell me that childhood and formative experiences don't influence ideas and behaviors as adults?

That for instance those kids that get sent to some of those christian camps to get yelled at, showed demons and shit and told how much of sinners they are isn't going to impact them at all later on?

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#27 Okiefreak

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Posted March 15 2017 - 11:04 AM

In regards to Mao, I alluded to this in another post about North Korea, that the flavor of irreligosity in the East seems much different than that in the west...Applicable here.


I was responding to a post about death of millions, I was under the impression that implies Stalin. Of course I'm speculating, but are you really going to try and tell me that childhood and formative experiences don't influence ideas and behaviors as adults?

That for instance those kids that get sent to some of those christian camps to get yelled at, showed demons and shit and told how much of sinners they are isn't going to impact them at all later on?

"The flavor of irreligiosity"? What a nebulous concept. Do you have a source for that? Could you tell us more.? Sounds like another convenient rationalization. There are lots of childhood experiences that influence ideas and behaviors. Most Christians don't grow up to be sadistic mass murderers. Most of them also don't go on to be atheist Marxists. Believe it or not, many of them grow up to be nice normal people. Obviously any Christian influences on Stalin weren't strong enough to keep him in the church. In the absence of evidence about what made Stalin what he was, you're on thin ice with your speculative armchair psychoanalyses. Stalin certainly was responsible for the deaths of millions. Stalin killed 20 million. Mao killed twice as many. http://historyofruss...ow-many-people/

 

I would be the last to argue that Stalin's atrocities were mainly the result of atheism, since I know plenty of atheists who are fine people. Same goes for Mao. Human behavior is complex, and simplistic efforts to attribute it to religion or irreligion are flawed. For one thing, there are lots of different "flavors" of Abrahamic religion, some harsh and mean-spirited, some kindly and compassionate. On the one hand, we have Saint Francis of Assisi, who was the very model of what a good person should be; on the other hand, we have Pope Gregory IX who canonized Francis and also founded the papal Inquisition. A phenomenon like the crusades certainly had a lot more to it than Christians versus Muslims. Certainly politics and sociological variables played an important part in shaping the Crusades: a social release for societies overburdened by landless nobles., the desire of Italian merchant states to remove Muslim obstacles to trade in the eastern Mediterranean, a desire by Pope Urban II to heal the schism in Christendom by focusing on a common enemy, etc. What I'm against are blanket, simplistic generalizations that lead to bigotry, hatred, and the very violence people are complaining about.

 

BTW, what is this thread doing on the Politics Forum. Shouldn't it be on the Philosophy and Religion forum, specifically on the Atheist subsection?


Edited by Okiefreak, March 15 2017 - 11:36 AM.

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#28 guerillabedlam

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Posted March 15 2017 - 11:40 AM

"The flavor of irreligiosity"? What a nebulous concept. Do you have a source for that?


Nebulous Concept? What do you find nebulous from the difference in presumably atheists of North Korea chanting their leader lives for thousands of years to Western Atheism reliant on science?

Pretty clear difference.

Since you avoided my questions, I'll have to assume you find it ok to berate and abuse children in these christian camps and therefore I don't care to reach out to address your other questions.

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#29 Irminsul

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Posted March 15 2017 - 12:14 PM

Ah another religion is the worst thread.

Tired old thread is tired old thread.

Edited by Irminsul, March 15 2017 - 12:14 PM.

Red, white, black are our true colours
For these colours we will fight!
Red, white, black will crush the enemy
And will bring back what is right!


#30 Okiefreak

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Posted March 15 2017 - 01:42 PM

Nebulous Concept? What do you find nebulous from the difference in presumably atheists of North Korea chanting their leader lives for thousands of years to Western Atheism reliant on science?

Pretty clear difference.

Since you avoided my questions, I'll have to assume you find it ok to berate and abuse children in these christian camps and therefore I don't care to reach out to address your other questions.

The concept of "flavor of irreligiosity" seems pretty nebulous, so I asked you for sources and specifics. You seem to like to make blanket generalizations, like equating North Korean culture with Chinese culture. I would say that in both countries Communism ( a pseudonym for Marxist-Leninist fascism) has aspects of secular religion. This is not because religion or oriental culture caused it to be that way, but because the same psychological, sociological and political factors that shaped state religion also shaped Communist ideology. We could add the Reign of Terror under the French Revolution, if you prefer a western example of secular religion. The atheist cult of Reason, as formulated by Hebert, Chaumette and their followers, was part and parcel of the war against Christianity, but had many of the trappings of religion, replete with the conversion of churches into Temples of Reason, the personification of Reason as a goddess, and ceremonies involving the destruction of relics . No society has attempted to impose official atheism without similar results. Reading the posts on this forum, as well as writings of Dawkins and other atheists, I doubt that the picture would be an improvement if any of you had real power. Science has little to say about God, so "western atheism reliant on science' sounds like pseudoscience which is dangerous. True science is tentative, not dogmatic. Nothing is certain, not even that!

 

I don't feel it necessary to respond to every item raised in a post I reply to, but since you ask, I don't think it's acceptable to berate children, or adults for that matter, in camps or outside of them. Most of the atheists I know come from fundamentalist "Christian" backgrounds where that sort of thing went on. I oppose brainwashing of any kind, and think freedom of thought and conscience are the most precious human rights. I realize that there are misguided Christian sects that do this, and I try my best to resist them and speak out against them. This is why I find the OP's views so offensive. She even advocates the use of violence for a "higher purpose" of suppressing thoughts she doesn't agree with. That mentatlity led to the Inquisition. BTW, I suppose you know that atheists also have their summer camps designed to instill "healthy" secular views and values in the kiddies.

http://www.kidscamps...ps/atheist.html

What do you think of those?


Edited by Okiefreak, March 15 2017 - 02:54 PM.

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