Wearing A Headdress When You Are Not Native American

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  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Well correct me if I'm wrong but taking in account the knowledge I have of a burka you would just look like a another big boned woman in a burka? It would not be noticable in your appearance mallyboppa is under that thing (maybe the behaviour would give it away) ;)
     
  2. morrow

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    Yeah, tall woman in burka, holding pint! Bopping in a Liverpool bar!

    Look mallyboppa is out on the town! Wtf is he wearing?????

    Lmao!
     
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  3. Asmodean

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    If I ever see a muslim woman in a burka in the Cavern bar I know who it really is :D
     
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  4. YouFreeMe

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    I don't find wearing dreadlocks, a burka, a bindi, or anything of that sort personally offensive, and I think that if I were a member of one of the cultures that those symbols were procured from, I wouldn't be offended. But I don't wear those things, it seems to be in poor taste--there are a lot of other ways to dress creatively, many other "looks" to capture. And if I did wear something borrowed from another culture, and someone from that culture told me that it offended them, I would stop wearing it out of respect for their wishes. Just seems like the respectful thing to do.
     
  5. Meliai

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    So...

    This thread kinda gave me an idea. I'm my friend's maid of honor but i'm horrible at stuff like this, i just really dont understand weddings, but i'm going to try. so i"m trying to think of creative stuff to do for her bachelorette party

    And i thought about doing a bride tribe theme and make her a cute feathery headdress and give everyone else a feather to put in their hair.

    And i'll make a funny statement about cultural appropriation when i give it to her of course, and hope no one is really offended

    Is this offensive? I've given it some thought and i just really dont think it is. She'll look like a babe and i'll make it look fucking awesome so whatevs
     
  6. Irminsul

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    I wear my grandfathers iron cross around my neck. He earned that by saving several comrades behind enemy lines, whilst being directly shot at by the enemy. He earned that fair and square, I wear it.

    Thousands of others also wear the same decoration they bought from eBay. They didn't earn it either. There's no malice intention there to be offended by, though. It's a decoration that somebody thinks of highly and chooses to wear it.

    Like he states in the video.

    The headdress isn't traditional. It is not made traditionally. It has no traditional significance to native America culture other than the physical look. The colors are all wrong. The feathers are all wrong. The symbols are fictitious. He never killed any birds, it was made by a person on the opposite side of the world, of a completely different culture, made and designed in a way that has no direct ties to anything Indian.

    If you people really want to be anymore retarded about this you may as well be offended at anyone wearing clothes. How dare they!! They were adorned by other cultures in other lands many many moons ago how dare you use clothes!!
     
  7. Heat

    Heat Smile, it's contagious! :) Lifetime Supporter

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    I recently went to a retirement party for a lady I know and they did a red hat day. It was a riot and the hats everyone made were fun.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Society
     
  8. Meliai

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    My mom went to a retirement party a while ago and they did this too, her pictures looked like it was really fun :)
     
  9. Meliai

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    I told my partner about my bride tribe idea and asked him if it was offensive and his response was perfect:

    "No, what I find offensive is going to the Cherokee reservation and all the shops are owned by white people and everything they sell is made in China."

    Sums it up. I'm sure indigenous people have much larger problems to worry about than whether someone wants to play dress up with native-inspired headwear
     
  10. Irminsul

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    Having the largely imaginative childhood I had, and my skill in archery, I'd hate to think what life might be had I not been given one of these clearly racist bow and arrow sets made in China and sold by white people.

    [​IMG]

    Little do they know or realize, that the American Indians have been such a positive influence in my life, and it most likely stemmed from fake, non traditional, non accurate HARMLESS toys like this that even gave me an awareness of Indian culture in the first place.

    I think I'd have been the bees knees if I had a headdress to go along with those sticky arrows. :D

    Cowboys & Indians, and the cowboys were always the good guys to us as kids.

    I know better now. :)
     
  11. Meliai

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    Well, his point was the Cherokees are living in poverty (pretty bad poverty, i've been there many times and it always makes me very sad) while white people move to their land and order cheap trinkets and make a decent living from it. I have plenty of said cheap trinkets left over from my childhood.

    But the part of your post I related to most, irm, is the "largely imaginative childhood"

    I value imagination above almost anything else, but no one is so creative they dont need to borrow from others.

    I personally think, when people borrow in a respectful way, it can be a really nice tribute to, rather than appropriation of, a culture.which i think is what you're saying too :)
     
  12. themnax

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    how is mocking anything not retarded? you've got one thing right, its not traditional. but it has been traditionally used by sick retards to mock.
    no offense intended to anyone with avian d.n.a.
     
  13. Irminsul

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    How's he mocking anything? He's taken something and made it something else. He's not pretending to be an Indian, he's just being himself. :) good for him.
     
  14. Asmodean

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    I would even argue that if he would want to look like an indian and act upon that craving he would still be himself and also not mocking anybody.
     
  15. rollingalong

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    those shops are owned by Indians guaranteed...they don't have to be standing behind the counter....the reservations here all have white people working in them....many are married to natives but it is rare to see an actual full blooded native behind the counter at a reservation[here]....ours is Iroquois nation...they have a weed shop sells thousands of dollars an our o busy days....lineups to buy weed....one would be seriously mistake if one doesn't think the ''elders'' have a nice sized slice of the pie...they do :)
     
  16. Meliai

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    Good, this is one time i'm happy to be mistaken :)
     
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  17. NoxiousGas

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    Wouldn't any person wanting to conduct business there have to get approval from the tribe in the first place, if the reservations are supposed to be "their" sovereign land?
    what the fuck, why not, "sure whitey, pay me thousands a month rent and a percentage of the profits and you can sell your crap."
     
  18. Meliai

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    Yeah, you're probably right. It just struck us when we visited the Cherokee reservation last summer all the shopkeepers were white.

    I've been to a few different reservations and the Cherokee rez has always struck me because they've cashed in on the tourism industry (moreso w hen I was a kid I think, during our recent trip it wasnt as crowded as I remember) and casino industry, and yet their people live in abject poverty.
     
  19. KarmaRose

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    Most of natives that do have issue with people wearing war bonnets have issues because for a long time some native dress and custom was banned.
    The ban has since been lifted for a long time and white people now wear something that was once not allowed for natives.

    However the people who are alive now had nothing to do with what happened years ago. People should realize that while a bunch of truely terrible things happened years ago dwelling on it and picking at it constantly won't change the past, but it will just keep us all divided in the present and future.

    This being said I am Cherokee, Blackfoot and some European decent, I don't wear a war bonnet because I did not earn it. I am not going to get way offended if someone else does so long as they aren't acting like a Native American caricature.
     

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