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#21 Wu Li Heron

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Posted February 21 2017 - 09:21 AM

 Intellectual and sensory pleasures are gratifying, and are also of a temporary nature, leaving one discontent and unfulfilled in their absence or when they get saturated.

 

   Bliss can be experienced in present life as well, and also in death of the physical body, provided one knows how to stay conscious during the event. 

 

 

 
 Where there is the craving for sensation, there is bound to be no contentment as well. I would say that both are mutually exclusive. But the content can enjoy pleasant sensations in the moment without developing cravings for it later on. 

 

 

Sensations come and go and, without contentment which comes at no cost, any sensation is merely sensationalism.

 

The paradox of our existence is that we are all spirits in the material world where reality without dreams is just somebody's nightmare and dreams without reality are someone else's fantasy. Its impossible to be discontent without also being content with our discontent or, conversely, to be content without also being discontent with something. They are like up and down, back and front, left and right which display magnitudes and juxtapositions rather than metaphysical limitations. Hence, the reason we are not all enlightened beings or completely lost in our own little worlds of desire.

 

You can cultivate contentment, but never quite eliminate desires and vice versa because it is not so much an issue of cravings as it is one of authenticity and personal integrity. When we no longer make distinctions between who we are and what we are doing we become poetry in motion no longer making distinctions between what we want and what we are content with.



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Posted February 21 2017 - 09:36 AM

The paradox of our existence is that we are all spirits in the material world where reality without dreams is just somebody's nightmare and dreams without reality are someone else's fantasy. Its impossible to be discontent without also being content with our discontent or, conversely, to be content without also being discontent with something. They are like up and down, back and front, left and right which display magnitudes and juxtapositions rather than metaphysical limitations. Hence, the reason we are not all enlightened beings or completely lost in our own little worlds of desire.

 

There are plenty who are caught in their mental worlds of desires and cravings, and this is what is extracting a huge toll on the planet's natural resources, and consequently wildlife as well. It is estimated that by 2020, more than 70 per cent of wildlife will be eliminated.  This is bound to elicit a huge reaction from nature to bring about equilibrium, with disastrous consequences for humans. 

 

  Hence the need to rectify or correct our present concepts of happiness which we wrongly identify with expensive sense-objects or sense-pleasures that put great pressure on the limited natural resources of the world.  


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#23 Wu Li Heron

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Posted February 21 2017 - 10:18 AM

There are plenty who are caught in their mental worlds of desires and cravings, and this is what is extracting a huge toll on the planet's natural resources, and consequently wildlife as well. It is estimated that by 2020, more than 70 per cent of wildlife will be eliminated.  This is bound to elicit a huge reaction from nature to bring about equilibrium, with disastrous consequences for humans. 

 

  Hence the need to rectify or correct our present concepts of happiness which we wrongly identify with expensive sense-objects or sense-pleasures that put great pressure on the limited natural resources of the world.  

 

Either they are trapped, in which case there is nothing you can do for them, or they are not trapped and you can help them. Of course, with the largest manufactured export of the wealthiest country in the world being weapons and the world ecology rapidly going down the toilet, I for one, prefer to believe we can help them. Not by spouting meaningless mystical metaphysical mumbo jumbo or merely waxing philosophical or spiritual, but by writing the book that can never be written bridging logic and emotion, physics and the human mind.

 

Nature is not about establishing equilibrium or balance, but promoting harmony and poetry in motion and the turning point for humanity is coming in the very near future with the introduction of a Theory of Everything. Whenever harmony is lost, balance will be restored ensuring harmony can be regained.


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Posted February 21 2017 - 10:38 AM

Nature is not about establishing equilibrium or balance, but promoting harmony and poetry in motion and the turning point for humanity is coming in the very near future with the introduction of a Theory of Everything. Whenever harmony is lost, balance will be restored ensuring harmony can be regained.

 

Are super-hurricanes or typhoons, rising global temperatures, droughts and lightnings which are reaching the earth,  harmonious and poetic !

 

Would nature be patient enough to wait, till your book explaining the 'Theory of everything' changes all of humanity for the better ! I am not sure but I admire your optimism though.   :smoke out:

 

 

 Whenever harmony is lost, balance will be restored ensuring harmony can be regained.

 

Yes, but the way balance will be restored need not be a very pretty sight. 


Edited by Ajay0, February 21 2017 - 10:47 AM.

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Posted February 21 2017 - 10:48 AM

Are super-hurricanes or typhoons, rising global temperatures, droughts and lightnings which are reaching the earth,  harmonious and poetic !

 

Would nature be patient enough to wait, till your book explaining the 'Theory of everything' changes all of humanity for the better ! I am not sure but I admire your optimism though.   :smoke out:

 

 

 

Yes, but the way balance will be restored need not be a very pretty sight. 

 

You can pretend to defy nature and your own truth with your dying breath, but you'll never really convince yourself, much less, anyone else. I am mother nature and father truth as are all of humanity and childhood's end is upon us once again. We will rise to the occasion and new horizons will open up for all of humanity.


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Posted February 21 2017 - 11:18 AM

You can pretend to defy nature and your own truth with your dying breath, but you'll never really convince yourself, much less, anyone else. I am mother nature and father truth as are all of humanity and childhood's end is upon us once again. We will rise to the occasion and new horizons will open up for all of humanity.

 

  The wise man is he who is intensely active in the midst of intense peace and intensely peaceful in the midst of intense action.  - Krishna. 

 

When you are one with the Tao, all horizons open up. All opposites get halanced harmoniously. But the lower illusory self has to die for that to happen at the individual and collective level. 

 

And then, action and non-action becomes harmonious and flawless. 


When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. You can only experience the new when you are aware, when you are without thought. -- Barry Long
 
Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


#27 Wu Li Heron

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Posted February 21 2017 - 11:24 AM

  The wise man is he who is intensely active in the midst of intense peace and intensely peaceful in the midst of intense action.  - Krishna. 

 

When you are one with the Tao, all horizons open up. All opposites get halanced harmoniously. But the lower illusory self has to die for that to happen at the individual and collective level. 

 

And then, action and non-action becomes harmonious and flawless. 

 

So much romantic civilized mystical Taoist bullshit. The way and the road less traveled is like a toddler making their "Mad Dash for the Potty!" Whether the toddler is running to the potty out of excitement or guilt doesn't matter in the end simply because by running back and forth they collect the pieces to the puzzle of their conundrum and, often just by luck, happen to arrive at the potty at the right time to assemble them into a greater whole. Nature and the truth itself are self-assembling, self-organizing, as much as anything else. Humanity has always been attempting to make more sense out of life and what we are about to receive are the keys to creating heaven on earth. That will, no doubt, require at least thousands of years to achieve but, none can deny its a worthwhile goal.


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Posted February 21 2017 - 11:43 AM

 Nature and the truth itself are self-assembling, self-organizing, as much as anything else. Humanity has always been attempting to make more sense out of life and what we are about to receive are the keys to creating heaven on earth. That will, no doubt, require at least thousands of years to achieve but, none can deny its a worthwhile goal.

 

That obviously is a worthwhile goal, no doubt about it.  :rockon:

 

 

Have faith in the tao, and tao will light the path ahead. All opposites must be reconciled though for harmony  to be achieved.   :23:


When the robot mind is mastered, undisciplined thinking ceases and is replaced by awareness. Awareness can know love. You can only experience the new when you are aware, when you are without thought. -- Barry Long
 
Evil is an extreme manifestation of human unconsciousness. -- Eckhart Tolle


#29 Wu Li Heron

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Posted February 21 2017 - 11:48 AM

That obviously is a worthwhile goal, no doubt about it.  :rockon:

 

 

Have faith in the tao, and tao will light the path ahead. All opposites must be reconciled though for harmony  to be achieved.   :23:

 

The paradox of our existence ensures we are all spirits in the material world where it is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. Without faith in our own memories, awareness, and personal integrity our own poetry in motion suffers in the bedroom as much as anywhere else!



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Posted February 22 2017 - 04:05 AM

 

 

 

 If you have any personal grievances and issues against Osho's wealth and royalties from his books, put it in an another thread. But please stay focussed on the op and do not derail this thread as you did in  Jiddu Krishnamurti on the true artist. indulging in character assassination of Osho. Thank you for your consideration.  :)           :smoke out:

The problem is that if you post about a particular person, you're often going to encounter reactions here from people who have a different or even opposite view. If you hold someone up as an example, and another thinks they're not such a great example - well, that's forums.

 

 

 If a person who owns over 300 luxury cars tells you that true happiness comes from within, it's almost certainly going to raise a few eyebrows.






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