Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?

My point is that the supporters of these three are accepting of a black president. The trump supporters not so much.

 

we will never know if seeing a bunch of white guys standing in front of home depot wearing maple leaf hats and t-shirts written in french waiting for a day job would piss off the average right winger as much as a mexican doing the same thing

 

i will give you the kkk vote but i dont think that there are enough of them to decide the election.

 

The kkk is the tip of the iceberg. Most white racists don't go around wearing sheets and burning crosses on people's lawns, but one out of four Americans think Obama was born in Kenya, one in five think he's a Muslim, and 43% say they don't know what religion he is. Most of those are in the Republican Party. Some 54% of Republicans think Obama "deep down" is a Muslim, and if you add the "don't knows" to that category, it's 60%.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/54-percent-of-republicans-believe-deep-down-obama-is-a-muslim-survey-finds-134791/#bc2Le5Yfgc88Iss7.99
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/02/25/scott-walkers-view-of-obamas-religion-makes-him-a-moderate/?utm_term=.eceffb4afcb7

 

Its not about racism, sexism, or whatever so much as the mindless mob and money doing all the driving. So long as the voting system remains heavily gerrymandered and money controls the mass media it means more vocal minorities like the Tea Party can get more of what they want merely by threatening to bankrupt the government and promoting candidates like Trump. Obama complaining about republicans constantly threatening to bankrupt the government, refusing to allow him to replace a dead supreme court justice, etc. are complaints that are increasingly falling on deaf ears even among democrats who know damned well he himself has helped to suppress our constitutional rights and refused to support free and open elections and other democratic institutions. Either put up or shut up is all I have to say to democrats who have the spine of bankers more interested in their own bottom line than the public interest.

 

you are changing your story from race to religion, smoke and mirrors dont work on me.

 

He's expanding it in order to make it more accurate. Not changing his story.

 

if you say people dont vote for someone because of race in once sentence then change it to not voting for religion,,,,,see the key word in my sentence? (change) he changed the topic.

 

The rejection of Obama was racial. Belief that he was alien and a Muslim goes hand-in-hand with that. I live in a red state where racial slurs about Obama are commonplace in everyday discourse. At the Tea Party marches on Washington in 2011 and 2013, Confederate flags and racist caricatures of Obama (bone thru nose, etc.) were much in evidence.
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/19878-tea-party-shows-racist-roots-at-white-house-protest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html

 

If you say so

 

i do say so. someone that is muslim can possibly sway my vote. someone who is black will not.

 

But if you listen and totally believe the press and media, the KKK is having a banner year, especially since Trump decided to run. We should be seeing them on every corner, working the deli counter, driving for Uber, and of course holding cross burnings and lynchings every weekend (klansmen have to work during the week I guess). Invoking the KKK is a straw man "argument" that's laughable at best. But it's all the racists who hate white people have to beat them over the head with. It's the only source of moral high ground for some of the ridiculous arguments where they are invoked.

And look who's invoking the "Tea Party" these days. Where are they? When was the last Tea Party rally? It's amazing to me how all this old shit is dredged up and portrayed to be a modern "threat" when it's not. The only people making good on threats these days are wearing masks and hitting people for fun. I wonder how long they think they can get away with this sort of crap. It's not REAL "anarchy", it's a bunch of posers with mental problems. But look how many are cheering for them. It's like violence is cool when it's THEIR violence, but reprisals or retribution is evil. Yea, keep poking the bear dumbasses.

 

Same people who voted for Obama voted for Trump

btw Hitler didn't do anything wrong

 

I invoke the Godwin rule.

 

In Trump's case, Godwin's Law doesn't apply because, like Idi Amin dada and any number of megalomaniacs, a single post is enough to draw comparisons and a statistic of one is an oxymoron.

 

UK parliament is going to debate banning Trump from visiting the UK again. A new petition has reached almost 1 million signatures in a matter of hours.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928/

Of course, Theresa Scarecrow will still invite him over so she can suck his warty cock again on live TV

 

That right there ^^^^^. That is the whole reason it exists.

 

Primitive tribes noted at the dawn of agriculture that civilization resembles a flock of chickens all pecking away at one another. The internet and civilization in general reflects the classic Newtonian logic and law of motion that, "For every action there must be an equal but opposite reaction" which enforces the principle of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" that is the reason why Godwin's Law exists because the civilized thing to do is to choose from among the lesser of many evils. Merely abstaining from commenting, voting, or whatever is anathema is among aggressive competitive reactionary civilized people.

It reflects the memory centric systems logic of a flock of chickens where the paradox is, without memories, at best everything is deja vu all over again and there's nothing to discuss and nothing to be done about it, yet, if you rely solely upon memories there's still nothing to discuss and nothing to be done about it. Hitler is one of civilization's strongest memories in modern times so his name comes up more frequently than most.

 

If the shoe fits, wear it! Godwin's "law" was a rhetorical device designed to discourage hyperbolic comparisons: e.g., Obama=Hitler. But it's self-defeating if it discourages valid concerns based on real historical parallels. As I've said before, Fascism was introduced by Benito Mussolini and perfected by Hitler to describe their, at the time unique, political systems based on six elements: Populism+Nativism+Nationalism+Scapegoating+Leadership Principle+Statism=Fascism. Fascism is populist in gearing its messaging to the little guy who feels left out of the distribution of wealth, status and power in society. It is nativist in being against foreign influence and immigration, It is nationalist in stressing national glory and superiority (for Mussolini, restoring the glory of the Roman Empire; for Hitler, fulfilling the destiny of the Aryan Master Race embodied in the Third Reich). It scapegoats out groups (for Mussolini, socialists and communists, who were beaten up by his blackshirts; for Hitler, Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, who were beaten up by his brownshirts). as the source of society's evils It puts it's faith primarily in a Leader instead of policies or institutions (IL Duce, for Mussolini's followers; Der Furher, for Hitler's). And it advocates Statism, in which the government is given totalitarian control over people's lives. In sum, Fascism is demagoguery at its most extreme form.

I think there are danger signs of fascist tendencies with Trump. He is populist in appealing to the white non-college educated males' sense of being left out of the American dream. He is nativist in his emphasis on building a wall against illegal Mexican immigration, rounding them up, and kicking them out, and in "extreme vetting" of Middle Eastern immigrants. He is nationalist in the call to "Make America Great Again". He scapegoats Mexicans and Muslims. And he put himself forward as the only hope for getting our country out of its alleged failed condition. The only thing missing is Statism, which Trump has only hinted at. Already he's is talking about doing things to "terrorists" which are unconstitutional, and is confident the military won't say No to him. The beginnings of a police state are implicit in campaign talk of rounding up and deporting millions of undocumented aliens, "extreme vetting" of immigrants from threatening countries, and surveillance of mosques. You can't do those things without massive police involvement, and the predictable resistance could only escalate that. Trump is a world class demagogue. Nixon used "law and order" as a dogwhistle for suppress the African-Americans. Mussolini and Hitler couldn't have timed it better. As Hitler said: "We need law and order. Yes, without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order." And Trump said the same thing. Steve Bannon, Trump's propagandist, seems to occupy a position analogous to Joseph Goebbels in the Third Reich, and by adding him to the National Security Council, Trump seems to be signalling an expanded role for political ideology. Bannon has been leading the charge against a free press, telling the media it should shut up. For others who see the Bannon-Goebbels parallels see:
https://www.techimo.com/forum/debateimo-politics-religion-controversy/316484-steve-bannon-now-trumps-goebbels.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20161116_Jones__Bannon_like_another_hateful_propagandist__Nazis__Joseph_Goebbels.html
http://community.agriculture.com/t5/Ag-Forum/Bannon-Goebbels/td-p/652761
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/if-our-concern-over-steve-bannon-is-confusing-look-up-joseph-goebbels/

I don't think it could happen here. The popular demonstrations and actions of our courts in reaction to the weekend travel ban make me hopeful, and Trump seems more interested in personal and material gain than in launching a full-fledged totalitarian regime. Besides, our democratic institutions are strong, and we have too many lawyers. But when the danger signs are there, I think it's foolish to dismiss them by reflexively crying "Godwin's law".

 

The American people did not elect him because of his superior qualities, such as bragging about grabbing women by the crotch, but because they saw him as the lesser of many evils to choose from which is also what racism, sexism, etc. are all about. They elected him in response to decades of complaints about all the wealth concentration, illegal aliens suppressing the wages of the poor, a judicial system that favors the wealthy and dumps on the poor, and the steadily decline in social liberties and constitutional rights which neither congress nor any president has done a damn thing to stop, in fact, they've all support it! Obama care helped to redistribute the wealth, but only from the middle class to the poor!

A twenty year study by Princeton university concluded that no matter who was elected to office only the top 10% of the wealthiest ever got anything they wanted. Believe it or not, when I've mentioned this to people a common first response I get is we should "Vote the bastards out of office!" So long as the American people insist on choosing from among the lesser of many evils this is just the sort of thing we can expect more of in the future. Imagine if Hitler had inherited a world empire rather than a bankrupt Germany. There is no need for Trump to invade other countries or start rounding up blacks, Jews, homosexuals, and Muslims and shoving them into ovens when all he has to do is continue to oppress them in the name of the lesser of many evils.