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Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?




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#11 Wu Li Heron

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Posted January 26 2017 - 08:15 AM

A recent study discovered that anybody can easily made to question even the most simple facts, such as Walt Disney created the character of Mickey Mouse, by merely providing them with conflicting evidence, however, when conservatives were presented with conflicting political evidence they dug in with their heals and refused to budge an inch. Hence, the reason forty years of surveys have consistently indicated that one in five Americans insists the sun revolves around the earth. You might as well ask if sow's ear can be turned into a silk purse. 



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Posted January 26 2017 - 08:18 AM

My answer to the thread title....no....

 

They have their hatred of Hillary to keep them warm at night for the next four years,.


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Posted January 26 2017 - 09:28 AM

Don't be so pessimistic. Already a majority of Americans, according to the polls, have an unfavorable opinion of Trump, and he's in what is usually a President's "honeymoon" period. The stock market continues to rise in anticipation of all that deregulation that's expected to happen. I expect that to end soon. The stock market is overvalued and due for a correction. Congress hasn't made its assault on the major social programs yet.--Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Social Security used to be called the "Third Rail" of American politics. Any politician even suspected of wanting to mess with it would be destined for extinction, but I don't think Paul Ryan and the Congressional Republicans can resist. Meanwhile, we should be gathering up our rain gear and preparing for a lot of shit. But the hard core Trumpsters may be with us till the bitter end. Even at the peak of the Watergate hearings, Nixon had his 25%. I have lots of friends who are Trump supporters, and they're relatively impervious to facts and arguments. They pride themselves in not watching the news, cuz "it's all biased". When I have them over and the conversation turns political, they go to sleep. So I've made a rule: no talk about politics, cuz I lose 40% of my guests!

Until the power grid goes so they can't watch football, or the terrorists bomb the breweries, these guys are in it for the duration!


Edited by Okiefreak, January 26 2017 - 09:42 AM.

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#14 Meliai

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Posted January 26 2017 - 09:42 AM

I do see it in the general population, not just with conservatives. Obama bombed 7 countries while in office but most of his supporters arent going to acknowledge anything like that or give it much thought.

But I do find it concerning how Trump voters will gladly twist facts or accept "alternate" facts in order to suit their paradigm. Anyone not willing to have their preconceived notions challenged is dangerous.

Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~Tolkien


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Posted January 26 2017 - 09:46 AM

Yes....rule was always no talk of religion or politics with people....and I don't have these discussions with people in real life...If they start, I have to make excuses to go do something else or I change the subject or something....if what they are saying is not what i agree with.....Friendships and things can turn ugly really fast....as we have experienced on this forum....unfortuneatley.

 

Someone at my neighbor's this Christmas started with how great trump is at the dinner table. I wanted to leave, but just sat there and had to take it.......and it kind of ruined the dinner for me.....as it was torture.. They went on and on, too.

 

I finally just started having my own conversation with my daughter's neighbor....about animal rights and her going to Florida and things to save little dogs thrown in the swamps...We connect that way...so that saved the night for me. She is a very caring person.


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Posted January 26 2017 - 09:47 AM

The pessimism is that Trump is already moving forward on isolating the US from Mexico, with China next on his agenda. He has isolated himself from both the republicans and democrats and these are the only remaining cards he has to play. There's just no way he can palm himself off as advocating women and children, the poor, or anyone else for that matter unless he can produce results and he is moving fast attempting to deal with the backlash of his Russian backed election. Forget about a stock market correction, the direction he is taking us is towards war and economic collapse with California and others already insisting on seceding from the union because there is just no way any politician can survive attempting to deport every illegal alien in the state.



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Posted January 26 2017 - 09:51 AM

As I understood China is making a lot of good (for them) trading allignments with other countries atm. Japan will be a bigger victim economically because of Trumps policies to bring jobs back. Besides, a lot of the jobs that went originally to China had already shifted to other countries (like India).


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Posted January 26 2017 - 10:35 AM

Yes....rule was always no talk of religion or politics with people....and I don't have these discussions with people in real life...If they start, I have to make excuses to go do something else or I change the subject or something....if what they are saying is not what i agree with.....Friendships and things can turn ugly really fast....as we have experienced on this forum....unfortuneatley.

 

Someone at my neighbor's this Christmas started with how great trump is at the dinner table. I wanted to leave, but just sat there and had to take it.......and it kind of ruined the dinner for me.....as it was torture.. They went on and on, too.

 

I finally just started having my own conversation with my daughter's neighbor....about animal rights and her going to Florida and things to save little dogs thrown in the swamps...We connect that way...so that saved the night for me. She is a very caring person.

 

 

LOL!  That so describes something I would go through!! Especially in the midst of these people, in this state.

 

I think if is nothing short of bizarre that I was/am lucky enough to be raised by someone that isn't like "all those around them"...

 

Now that I am grown, I recall hearing Mama proudly say "I'm a Democrat."  Hell, she's not an imbecile...she had to know what she was doing, what she was announcing in this place.  But damn if I know....DID she realize what she was telling them??.

 

Anyway...life proceeded, and I'm glad for the goals and rules and yes, laws, that hold everything together.  These very same things I so value, with this presidency, and all of these crazed vocal people supporting him, are going against all I hold sacred and important...they make me very very uneasy.

 

I don't feel as secure...idk


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Posted January 26 2017 - 10:45 AM

As I understood China is making a lot of good (for them) trading allignments with other countries atm. Japan will be a bigger victim economically because of Trumps policies to bring jobs back. Besides, a lot of the jobs that went originally to China had already shifted to other countries (like India).

China would seem to be the main beneficiary of the collapse of the TPP. As usual, we did the groundwork, and China will take over with its rival Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. https://www.nytimes....ower-china.html

http://money.cnn.com...rade/index.html

https://www.washingt...m=.14f918bdc00f


Edited by Okiefreak, January 26 2017 - 10:50 AM.


#20 Wu Li Heron

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Posted January 26 2017 - 02:48 PM

As I understood China is making a lot of good (for them) trading allignments with other countries atm. Japan will be a bigger victim economically because of Trumps policies to bring jobs back. Besides, a lot of the jobs that went originally to China had already shifted to other countries (like India).

 

China has made supplying the third world demand for manufactured goods their priority knowing that, otherwise, they would have to compete with the US and Europe and their infrastructure isn't developed well enough to do that. Still, Trump is attempting to declare war on Mexico, China, Texas, Arizona, and California with the question being where is he taking all of this and what will be the impact. Its the civil war all over again with Trump attacking slavery (illegal immigrants) and the international conglomerates. No matter what he does next he has already opened Pandora's box and both the democratic and republican parties will have no choice but to address the very issues they have been avoiding for decades. How exactly all those dominoes might fall is anyone's guess, but the gloves are coming off because there is way too much money at stake.






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