The Right's Political Correctness

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Meagain, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Here's a very good article on the right's own version of political correctness, enjoy. Here's some excerpts:

    You get the idea..good article.
     
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  2. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    This is why people who take political sides are idiots.
     
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  3. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    LOL - What - like your right wing stance?
     
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    Balbus Senior Member

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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Excellent article...but too long for most people to read, it's over 147 characters or whatever Twitter's limit is. So I posted a few excerpts below.

    I have to reread it when I get some more time.
     
  6. GeorgeJetStoned

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  7. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Voting ultimately forces everyone to take a side. Otherwise we'd get to vote on issues. How many Americans would have voted for Vietnam? How many Americans would have voted for gay marriage? Imagine what life would be like in such a massive nation if we really were a basic democracy.

    For the record, I have no problem with gay marriage, I've been to a few weddings, the first in 1980. I do have a problem with people thinking it was a "victory" when all it did was place more Americans under governmental control and manipulation, while they cheered for it. I'd rather see the government removed entirely from marriage. But somehow that opinion gets me tarred with the "you want smaller government, you MUST be a republican" bullshit.

    I think having only 2 actual parties, even though they are both from the same country club, is why we are jammed into this 2-sided opinion of life in the US. Polarizing into two factions has turned our nation into a fanatic factory.
     
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  8. Wu Li Heron

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    In over ten years of asking roughly half the people I've spoken to online have confided that they are suspicious of the dictionary and, sometimes, like to make up their own definitions for words despite almost all of them being clueless that, for the most part, all any common dictionary does is list the most popular definitions of words. Even after I've told them this, they have usually persisted in making up their own definitions and pushing them on people. Hence, the reason over half of Americans consistently demanding the government and mass media they call evil lie to them for their own protection, yet, congressional approval has fallen as low as 7% in recent decades. Its Three Stooges slapstick where they all argue over the definition of stupid and who is the better example ensuring they get the government and political parties they demand. That's why a huge professional wrestling fan and reality TV star who insisted the last president wasn't even an American citizen is now president.
     
  9. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    What Republicans want is really not that different from the fundamental Muslims they hate. A society where religion dictates the law. Gay people can not marry because the bible says so. It's wrong to be transgender because that's kind of like being gay and the bible covered it. It's wrong to say "happy holidays" and not "merry Christmas" because that insults the prophet Mohamed I mean Jesus and really if you don't like Jesus then there is something wrong with you and society should not cater to that depravity. A little gesture like that that maybe acknowledges Hanuka as well sets them off.

    I always hear them go on about the second amdment and how important it is to preserve things like that yet they have zero interest in the separation of church and state which was also very important when the country was founded. They even delude themselves into thinking the men who founded the country were Christian like them. No, in fact they were for the most part atheist or against the Christian church and what it did to people. Which is probably why they thought it was important to separate ones personal belief with goverment policy.

    They don't have the abilty to see things from the other side. If all these expectations were rooted in Islam and not Christianity it would be unacceptable. Just like it's now unacceptable to protest the president or goverment because it's their goverment. You should even be jailed or stripped or your citazinship if you do.

    But when it was a black man who was "Muslim" oh how they protested. Then it was the American thing to do to protest. They swore for years Obama would jail or oppress them for their opinions and now they wish to do that to others. It would be comical if it was not so sad because of the dark path this stupidity has put the country on. They need their "safe space" away from people who don't think like them just as much as the college kids they hate.
     
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  10. Okiefreak

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    If "basic democracy " means direct democracy, i.e.,voting directly on issues instead of candidates,it would be sheer hell-- far worse than it already is! Demagogue Ross Perot actually proposed this through the wonders of modern technology. What would be wrong with it? Basically, the fact that the vast majority of Americans are uniformed or misinformed about issues. Could you imagine them voting on complex matters of foreign policy or economic policy? Public opinion polls repeatedly show that most Americans are appallingly ignorant about the most basic facts of their government, issues and political information. In fact, it's often intentional. The opinion experts have coined the term "rational ignorance" for the fact that most voters think they have better things to do with their lives than to be informed on political affairs. And the decisions would be made without the benefit of debate and deliberation. Our Founding Fathers foresaw that. They set up a system in which the voters would vote not on issues but for people who would presumably be better informed or have more opportunity for deliberative discussion than the ordinary slob on the street. The system is actually more democratic than the Founders intended, but it's still a republic or "representative democracy". Of course we have in Oklahoma and 25 other states referendum items or State Questions. We got to vote on seven policy questions at the last election that, if passed, would become part of the State constitution. We rejected three of them, and passed four. It's really challenging for most voters to inform themselves on seven issues, let alone the many coming before the legislature on a regular basis.
     
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  11. pensfan13

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    pretty much the reason i am not a republican.

    if they followed the guidelines they supposedly are supposed to...i would have drank the kool aid. instead they are a joke as much as the other parties....well all the others except one at least.
     
  12. GeorgeJetStoned

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    I feel your pain on this one. In the last election we had an odd one up for a vote. It would authorize a fee/tax on adult/sex stores to be used for funding efforts to fight sexual exploitation. It was paired with a benign issue thanks to clever writing. My feeling on the issue was that it was a backdoor tax designed to run them out of town. I'm not voting for such a rider. I can only imagine what the rest of the US looks like on voting days and the kinds of crap "lawmakers" try to slime by us all.
     
  13. pensfan13

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    so the vote would go to those that actually did inform themselves, no bid deal and better than leaving it to just a handful of the population.
     
  14. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Pfft. How many "right wingers" do you know who are anti-war as I am? Most of you so called leftists spent the last 8 years defending a warmonger.
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    Not necessarily. I think a lot of times the uninformed voters confront the issue for the first time when they're voting for something else, like the President, and may take a stab at it but get confused. I have trouble figuring out the implications of some of these things myself.. For example, the proposal for a sales tax for education. Education is something I ordinarily consider to be a good thing, but opponents made a case that the legislature has put forward other things in the past that were supposed to be for education, like casinos and the state lottery, that ended up being diverted to other things. The measure was defeated. There was another item prohibiting any regulation of agriculture without a showing of compelling state interest by the State. That was touted as a measure to protect the family farm, but critics said it was to protect agribusiness from environmental regulation. Also defeated. Then there was the one giving the legislature the power to designate any method of execution without being considered "cruel or unusual" under the state constitution. That one passed! Its a good thing we have the U.S. Constitution to protect us from being burned at the stake or pressed to death by heavy stones!
     
  16. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    yeah i get that and can see it from that POV i would still rather the people made the laws rather than the lawyers. things may move along slower and some things would be left to a confused voter some times. but in the end people would have nobody to blame but themselves.
    i think a good example is obamacare. in theory it is a great idea...there are a few exceptions to this which is the reason i am against it. but even congress didnt read the entire thing. so would that have been any worse than the unwashed masses not reading it and deciding?
     
  17. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    I disagree with you completely on this, as did the Founding Fathers, because: (1) while experts sometimes make mistakes, a majority of the people usually do--uninformed, unwilling to become informed, and driven by irrational impulses and misinformation .e.g., their willingness to swallow the fake news disseminated by foreign governments and marginal misfits; the task of keeping up would be overwhelming for even the best of them; (2) the ship has sailed. The elite is becoming more entrenched and will do so throughout the Trump Administration; Get over Obamacare,There are far worse things to worry about. "The people" came out of the woodwork in 2016 and empowered the Plutocrat in Chief. They'll pay heavily for their mistake.
     
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  18. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Lots of folks justify political correctness as a common form of etiquette, but there's a big difference. Etiquette is how people from different upbringings and beliefs can navigate one another to negotiate social and professional situations so we can interact with other people who were not brought up with our same worldview and background.

    Political correctness is different as it an organized system of lying. To save the feelings of a few hypersensitive delicate wallflowers at the expense of reason, fact, and truth. And sometimes the rights and safety of others. Take the example of the UK police who didn't stop that Pakistani rape gang in Rotherham, because they were worried about being seen as racist. 1400 rapes could have been stopped, let that sink in.

    The main thing I took from this article was that too many people build echochambers to protect themselves from contrary viewpoints.

    As usual, Political Correctness is mostly just a tool of the authoritarians to silence dissenting ideas
     
  19. pensfan13

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    actually i would be perfectly fine with the founding fathers ideas. only white male land owners can vote????sign me up for that shit,

    oh i already am...WOOHOO!!!!
     
  20. Okiefreak

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    The story of the British police in Rotherham looking the other way at the outrages of the Pakistani rape gang can be looked at from another angle: the misogyny of the police officers in regarding the exploited girls as tarts who got what they were asking for. Its a fine line you draw between etiquette and political correctness. Should we be able to say "****** now", or ***e, "dago", "spic", "pola", etc.? We can, of course, and still do, but we need to be conscious of our audience. Is it wrong to denounce people who use such derogatory epithets freely in public? I do find it annoying when certain groups keep changing their minds about what it's appropriate to call them, but I write such things off to growing pains from people who have been called lots of ugly things and are searching for a dignifying label. And there are the sometimes outrageous excesses, like the guy (I forget who it was) who lost his job for using the word "niggardly" even though it's a legitimate word that has nothing to do with race. I think the campaign against political correctness is largely an effort by right wingers to find talking points in their effort to reassert white privilege in the name of free speech. BTW, as an interesting aside, of the string of derogatory ethnic slurs I just used above, the one that got censored with the *** (not by me) was one starting with k and used for Jews.
     

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