The Donald Trump Score Card

Discussion in 'Politicians' started by MeAgain, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Once again, our Divider in Chief takes the low road in politicizing a tragedy. After the terrorist attack in New York City, when any decent person would be calling for national unity, Trump tweets out an attack on the Democrats and Chuck Schumer for supporting a lottery system for immigration decades ago--failing to mention that the Republican President also supported it and that Schumer later called for rescinding it. Trump might as well be a terrorist for the damage he does to this country.
     
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  2. egger

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    Trump managed to wait a whole 16 hours after the tragedy in NY before politicizing it by parroting what he heard on Fox and Friends. For Trump, that's a mammoth amount of personal restraint.
     
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  3. egger

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    Trump has a very different sense of urgency about immigration control compared with gun control.

    For the Vegas tragedy, Trump was vague, didn't politicize it, and didn't call for quick action. He appeared to attribute the Vegas incident to mental illness by saying that the shooter had his wires crossed.

    Days later, when asked when he and the Congress would become more specific about action on the Vegas shooting, Trump said that they would try to deal with it sometime down the road.


    The stunning difference between Trump's reaction to the Las Vegas shooting and the NYC attack
    Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
    Updated 5:27 PM ET, Wed November 1, 2017

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/trump-vegas-nyc/index.html

    Excerpt:

    "On October 1, a man shot and killed 58 people at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas -- the largest mass murder in modern American history.

    On October 3, President Donald Trump was asked about the impact of the shooting on current gun laws -- and possible future gun control measures. He said that his administration and Congress would "be talking about gun laws as time goes by." Trump was also asked whether the shooting was an act of domestic terrorism. He declined to answer.

    On October 4, in Las Vegas, Trump was again asked about possible legislative action on guns. "We're not going to talk about that today," he responded. "We won't talk about that.""
     
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  4. Okiefreak

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    Hold onto your wallets. The robber barons in Congress (aka, Republicans) have unveiled the trump "tax reform" measure which Trump wants to retitle the "Cut, Cut, Cut Act". What it wouild cut would be taxes on corporations and billionaires. Any cuts to the middle class will be temporary and uneven at best--some possibly getting a tax hike, thanks to the proposed elimination of deductions for state taxes and the capping of mortgage deductions. To offset a budget-breaking impact on the deficit, the lawmakers are relying on the same "cargo cult" supply side religion G.H.W Bush used to refer to as "voodoo economics": the cuts will stimulate such dizzying economic growth that the program will be revenue neutral and then some. It's been tried many times before, and hasn't worked (Just ask the folks in Kansas) By one definition of insanity, they're trying the same thing once again, expecting a different result, and balleyhooing it as a great boon for mankind. Trump University, here we come! Where are all those "populist" Tea Partyers nd AltRighters when you really need them? Bunch of hypocrites! Robert Reich smells a Trojan Horse to torpedo Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security--a longstanding goal of the Republican kleptocracy.
    https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/robert-reich-nails-how-trump-tax-plan-one-big-trojan-horse
     
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  5. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Why cut taxes when Houston, Florida, Puerto Rico need massive amounts of help. National tax on gasoline, say 10--20 cents a gallon would mean that ALL americans would be chipping in to help our fellow citizens. Not to mention the national debt.
     
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  6. soulcompromise

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    what I always wonder is how do we know they won't use their tax cuts to increase bonus spending and golden parachutes? The reality is there's nothing preventing any of that from happening. They say it transfers down the ladder, but to what extent and when?
     
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  7. scratcho

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    We don't. But we do know that whatever comes from repubs will favor the rich and super rich. Here comes trickle
    down again, which has not proven to help many others than the aforementioned rich,which include our so=called
    representitives.
     
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  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    etc.
     
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  9. egger

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    Life in the swamp. A summary of the type of people Trump has assigned to government positions.


    Swamp Things: More Than 50% of President Trump’s Nominees Have Ties to the Industries They’re Supposed to Regulate
    The president has turned federal agencies over to the very CEOs, lobbyists, and lawyers whom they are supposed to regulate.
    Lachlan Markay
    Sam Stein
    10.29.17 9:00 PM ET

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-pledged-to-drain-the-swamp-instead-he-filled-it-with-industry-sharks

    "The Daily Beast examined 341 nominations the president has made to Senate-confirmed administration positions. Of those, more than half (179) have some notable conflict of interest, according to a comprehensive review of public records. One hundred and five nominees worked in the industries that they were being tasked with regulating; 63 lobbied for, were lawyers for, or otherwise represented industry members that they were being tasked with regulating; and 11 received payments or campaign donations from members of the industry that they were being tasked with regulating."
     
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  10. egger

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    Clovis withdraws his nomination for chief scientist of the Department of Agriculture. He wasn't qualified due to his lack of science background. He also had ties to the convicted Papadopoulos who is involved in the Russia scandal. He is one alligator who didn't make it to a high level position in Trump's swamp.


    Trump Nominee Sam Clovis Withdraws From Consideration for Agriculture Department Post
    By EILEEN SULLIVAN
    NOV. 2, 2017

    Trump Nominee Sam Clovis Withdraws From Consideration for Agriculture Department Post
     
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  11. egger

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    As President, Trump has expressed little concern about the increasing national debt ceiling in September, although he scorned the rising debt when Obama was President. Trump raised the debt limit without making any reservations about his decision at the time. He has made conflicting statements about debt in the past.


    Trump Makes Puzzling Claim That Rising Stock Market Erases Debt
    By JIM TANKERSLEY
    OCT. 12, 2017

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/politics/trump-stock-market-national-debt-fact-check.html

    excerpt:

    "As a real estate mogul, Mr. Trump crowned himself the “king of debt,” frequently borrowing heavily to finance major acquisitions or new projects. First as a candidate, and now as president, he has often puzzled observers with his comments on federal borrowing.

    Mr. Trump once suggested that “massive trade deficits” are to blame for the national debt, a claim many economists challenge. In the spring of 2016, he told The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward that he could “get rid” of the entire national debt “over a period of eight years.”

    Around the same time, he also suggested he would refinance federal debt, telling an interviewer: “I love debt. I love playing with it.”"
     
  12. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Let's face it--the man is totally unprincipled, and cares for no one but himself. One can't even say he's a decent human being. Many,many nouns, verbs and such could follow
    but I suppose 60 million worshippers could not be wrong. Or could they?
     
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  13. egger

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    For all the voters who see Trump as their knight in shining armor who will deliver them from their personal economic misfortune, here is an article that summarizes the debt tactics that Trump used during his real estate career to prosper personally at the expense of others.


    How Trump's Debt Addiction Crushed the Biggest Company He Ever Ran
    By Shawn Tully
    March 31, 2016

    http://fortune.com/2016/03/31/donald-trump-debt-trump-hotels-casinos-atlantic-city/

    From the article:

    "Indeed, a close examination of how Trump ran the largest business he ever headed demonstrates an entirely different kind of thinking from the belt-tightening rhetoric he spouts on the campaign trail. Over more than a dozen years heading at the time one of America’s biggest casino operators, Trump showed a penchant for aggressively loading up on debt—way, way more than the business could support.

    Much of the debt was accumulated through a series of self-dealing transactions, in which his public company bought out Trump’s personal stakes in various casinos. Trump made those sales to rescue himself from potentially ruinous personal guarantees, and moved huge portfolios of junk bonds that he couldn’t repay personally onto the newly-formed public company. In one major deal, he also appears to have, in effect, paid himself a highly inflated price.

    In the end, Trump’s myopia for the risk created by all the crushing credit obligations at his businesses punished employees, banks, investors, and bondholders alike—almost everyone but Trump himself. It also tanked Trump’s investment in Atlantic City, a place where Trump says he is “very, very proud” of how he did.'


    "LBOs have drawn widespread criticism as a vehicle for skirting taxes, using big interest expense to eliminate all, or most, taxable income, so that cash that would normally go to the government gets paid to bondholders instead."
     
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  14. scratcho

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    What may be instructive would be researching the life and times of his parents. Something went wrong back there somewhere. Think I'll do that.
     
  15. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Tax Policy Center analysis of Trump's Cut, Cut, Cut bill (Yes that's Trump's name for his tax plan).

    Page 13 has a chart showing how the top earners make out with this plan.
     
  16. egger

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    Trump has an uncanny ability for selecting shady associates for government positions. Instead of worrying about immigration vetting, he should improve his own vetting procedure for selecting public officials.

    Trump was naive before taking office for not realizing how he and his associates would undergo scrutiny. He managed to get away with it with his private businesses where he didn't have to anwer to other authorities such as a board of directors. Even that may change now that investigators have access to his business and personal income tax records.

    This is incredibly frustrating for Trump who is accustomed to not having to answer to people. It's a price Trump pays for wanting to be in an elected public position. It might have been good if Trump had done a vetting procedure on himself and asked if he really wanted to be in such a position.


    Mueller Has Enough Evidence to Bring Charges in Flynn Investigation
    by Julia Ainsley, Carol E. Lee and Ken Dilanian
    Nov 5 2017, 8:41 pm ET

    Mueller has enough evidence to bring charges in Flynn investigation
     
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  17. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    So were you guys stewing on HF being down for 2 days and like you bottled up all these thoughts and couldn't wait to come back to complain? :d
     
  18. egger

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    The woman who flipped off Trump in his motorcade has been fired from her job. The firm stated the following criteria:

    “Covered Social Media Activity that contains discriminatory, obscene malicious or threatening content, is knowingly false, create [sic] a hostile work environment, or similar inappropriate or unlawful conduct will not be tolerated and will be subject to discipline up to an [sic] including termination of employment.”

    Based on those criteria, Trump should be fired.



    She flipped off President Trump — and got fired from her government contracting job
    By Petula Dvorak Columnist November 6 at 12:45 PM

    Perspective | She flipped off President Trump — and got fired from her government contracting job
     
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  19. egger

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    Poor grammar and spelling by that firm. They might want to consider firing people for that too.
     
  20. 6-eyed shaman

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    Donna Brazil is dedicating her new book to Seth Rich. She even felt haunted by his murder.

    I’ve been ridiculed for questioning his death on here and this thread. Now I can say told ya so.
     

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