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#11 MeAgain

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Posted November 09 2016 - 09:29 AM

Check out the Bibliography in the Buddhist section.

 

The FAQs.

 

And the Resources.


 

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#12 Perfection of Disorder

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Posted November 09 2016 - 10:32 AM

Check out the Bibliography in the Buddhist section.

The FAQs.

And the Resources.

I will I have looked at them before but I am the kind of seeker who invests my thoughts into one part at a time. Full devotion to the singular. I find it assists my overall thought process and complements it best.

I am currently working through Thich Nhat Hanh's book The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching
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Posted November 09 2016 - 12:15 PM

I will I have looked at them before but I am the kind of seeker who invests my thoughts into one part at a time. Full devotion to the singular. I find it assists my overall thought process and complements it best.

I am currently working through Thich Nhat Hanh's book The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching

Very good book, one of my favorite authors.


 

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Posted November 17 2016 - 11:02 AM

What exists within and without that has no inherent opposition? I can think of only one possible answer. Pure spontaneity.... When measured by acceptance (perception) even answers against spontaneity are inherently spontaneous are they not?

For example a being sets out upon a journey to a determined destination. No matter how pre-planned this being's journey is was not their perception of the journey inherently spontaneous? Certainly causality could lay presuppositions upon the driving forces behind aforementioned journey and it's conceptualization within the being. Yet the determination of action is (at least to my perception) a spontaneous action in and of itself. Only the being can determine the conceptualization of the journey. Once a course is set then the being must make adjustments to said course in order to interact with the chaos both within and without. Yet again these reactions are likely caused by presuppositions within the being yet are not the acting out of these presuppositions in relation to the chaos spontaneous?

I'll leave my musings there for now. One step at a time.
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Posted November 21 2016 - 09:01 AM

A containerless vacuum filling itself with regurgitations of its own emptiness, perceived as a tactile and sensory chamber defined by lineations of the mind.


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Posted November 28 2016 - 04:01 AM

From whence did it come? Has it always existed? Is it a constant of duality?


As per Eastern philosophy, the self as ego emerges through thinking of past pleasures due to discontentment with the present as it is (which again is due to ignorance of the fact of its essential reality). The thinking of past pleasures and also pains ( as they both go together) results in
likes and dislikes, which intensifies as cravings and aversions.These lead to a sense of seperate existence or seperativeness from existence as it is.


But since one is intrinsically connected with existence or the whole, the sense of limitedness stemming from the ego comes across as unnatural along with a sense of discontentment.

Edited by Ajay0, November 28 2016 - 04:01 AM.

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Posted November 28 2016 - 05:55 AM



This is also the reason why discontentment is experienced even if one is surrounded by all sense-pleasures brought in by wealth and power, as the
sentient being which is related to the whole cannot be fully satisfied and content just as a limited being, separated from the rest of existence through
barriers created by the separative ego, in its pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of pain.

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Posted November 28 2016 - 06:13 AM

Very interesting and informative.However a striving for pleasure over pain is one of the formative and defining successes of humanity.Can you imagine a World without anaesthetic,canned food or running water at your fingertips? Also any search for spiritual fulfilment is predicated upon a desire for freedom from pain,is therefore a search for pleasure,to enjoy life as it is,so your conclusion contains this paradox.It is natural and imperative to avoid pain.It is one of the most important driving forces in evolution.Just check this the next time you get a toothache and need to see a dentist.
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Posted November 28 2016 - 07:16 AM

Very interesting and informative.However a striving for pleasure over pain is one of the formative and defining successes of humanity.


Pleasure is not happiness or even bliss for that matter, though people make this mistake often.


Can you imagine a World without anaesthetic,canned food or running water at your fingertips?


There are legitimate needs and there is also greed as well where one seeks more than what he really needs.

Taking care of legitimate needs are a part of one's duties, but this is not so with respect to greed which can bring about imbalance in the system, individually and in the whole as well.


Also any search for spiritual fulfilment is predicated upon a desire for freedom from pain,is therefore a search for pleasure,to enjoy life as it is,so your conclusion contains this paradox.It is natural and imperative to avoid pain.It is one of the most important driving forces in evolution.


As said before , pleasure is not happiness, or even bliss as well. Where there is pleasure , there is bound to be pain as well.

Happiness has an opposite in unhappiness, but bliss which stems from an expanded consciousness through Awareness or Love or other spiritual exercises has no such opposite.



It is natural and imperative to avoid pain.It is one of the most important driving forces in evolution.


I am not suggesting to avoid pain but to avoid the constant reminescing of painful events or experiences as also of pleasurable ones,creating aversions and cravings, and thereby missing life at the present.

Discontentment at the spiritual and mental-emotional level is also a source of pain and suffering which no amount of sense-pleasures can eliminate even if obtained with great exertion.

Just check this the next time you get a toothache and need to see a dentist.


You get a toothache, you see a doctor and follow his instructions.There it ends. Recollecting the pain and agony of toothache through thinking about it constantly and creating suffering for oneself in the present is what is wrong.


Recollecting the pleasure in eating delicious food such as pizza, caviar or fried chicken or other foods, and creating likes and intensifying it to the point of cravings where one forgets the present through greed, is also wrong.

Hope you follow what I am pointing out to here.

You can find a similar pattern in all other aspects of life.

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Posted November 28 2016 - 10:01 AM

I appreciate you taking my post seriously Ajay and concede that you do make some valid points.I like to to use Freud's concept of the "pleasure" principle and the "reality" principle as a reference point,if you are aware of those or would care to look them up.
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