Theresa May On The Way To #10 Downing Street

BlackBillBlake · Jul 13, 2016

The House of Lords is mainly an impotent talking club.

"The House of Lords debates legislation, and has power to amend or reject bills. However, the power of the Lords to reject a bill passed by the House of Commons is severely restricted by the Parliament Acts. Under those Acts, certain types of bills may be presented for the Royal Assent without the consent of the House of Lords (i.e. the Commons can override the Lords' veto). The House of Lords cannot delay a money bill (a bill that, in the view of the Speaker of the House of Commons, solely concerns national taxation or public funds) for more than one month.
Other public bills cannot be delayed by the House of Lords for more than two parliamentary sessions, or one calendar year. These provisions, however, only apply to public bills that originate in the House of Commons, and cannot have the effect of extending a parliamentary term beyond five years. A further restriction is a constitutional convention known as the Salisbury Convention, which means that the House of Lords does not oppose legislation promised in the Government's election manifesto.
By a custom that prevailed even before the Parliament Acts, the House of Lords is further restrained insofar as financial bills are concerned. The House of Lords may neither originate a bill concerning taxation or Supply (supply of treasury or exchequer funds), nor amend a bill so as to insert a taxation or Supply-related provision. (The House of Commons, however, often waives its privileges and allows the Upper House to make amendments with financial implications.) Moreover, the Upper House may not amend any Supply Bill. The House of Lords formerly maintained the absolute power to reject a bill relating to revenue or Supply, but this power was curtailed by the Parliament Acts, as aforementioned."
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Vanilla Gorilla · Jul 13, 2016

BlackBillBlake said:

The House of Lords is mainly an impotent talking club.
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So you are trying to maintain your senate does nothing?

BlackBillBlake · Jul 13, 2016

Vanilla Gorilla said:

So you are trying to maintain your senate does nothing?
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'Senate' kind of implies an elected body.

If you were to watch the TV coverage of the House of Lords, you might notice that quite a few of their lordships are deep in slumber during the debates.
Truth is, they have very little power to change what the Commons decide. The role is mainly an advisory one. They can propose amendments to bills, but if the Commons don't like what they propose it is simply ignored. Now and then, a House of Lords amendment does make it into law, but not very often.

Really it's a relic of the feudal system which has gradually had it's power striped away over a long period. An elected 'senate' would probably be a much better way of doing things.

BlackBillBlake · Jul 14, 2016

Boris Johnson as new foreign secretary. Sure that'll do a lot to help.

I think we may be in for an even bigger mess than that created by Cameron.

Asmodean · Jul 14, 2016

BlackBillBlake said:

Boris Johnson as new foreign secretary. Sure that'll do a lot to help.

I think we may be in for an even bigger mess than that created by Cameron.
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At least his job doesn't include dealing with the EU :-D They created a new position for that.

BlackBillBlake · Jul 14, 2016

Asmo said:

At least his job doesn't include dealing with the EU :-D They created a new position for that.
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David Davis - new minister for Brexit. A long time Euro-sceptic. It's interesting though that at present he's actually challenging May in the European courts over the so called 'snooper's charter' - the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers act.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-is-david-davis-brexit-minister-eu-eurosceptic-speech-a7135976.html

I wonder how seriously the rest of the world is going to take Johnson though. Some initial reactions seem to regard his appointment as a bit of a joke.

Bilby · Jul 14, 2016

So most British people do not know how the government works and the role of the civil service? Has anyone not seen the TV series Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister? Actually there is something to be said for having a bureaucratic government like they have in France or Japan.These countries are very civilized places to live in.Both countries have easily the best inter-city train services. Israel is on the opposite end on the spectrum and they have political chaos.

Vanilla Gorilla · Jul 14, 2016

BlackBillBlake said:

David Davis - new minister for Brexit. A long time Euro-sceptic. It's interesting though that at present he's actually challenging May in the European courts over the so called 'snooper's charter' - the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers act.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-is-david-davis-brexit-minister-eu-eurosceptic-speech-a7135976.html

I wonder how seriously the rest of the world is going to take Johnson though. Some initial reactions seem to regard his appointment as a bit of a joke.
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Johnson and Trump can go get a haircut together if thats how the US election turns out.

If it's Hillary, she can cut the crust of his sandwiches for him

morrow · Aug 2, 2016

Love89 said:

What's she going to achieve except letting migrants rule the country. We should riot like London did before, burn 10 Downing Street. All she will do is get ill when there is a cold spell and then we have to have a new election anyway or someone will speed it up and she will end up like JFK
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Why in god's name, would she get I'll? Seems a stupid statement man, explain?

Love89 · Aug 2, 2016

Hey explain man ........ Fucking stupid waster read it properly when your sober and not just after "peace and love"

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