As Long As Money Exists, The World Will Be An Evil Place

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    They claim money is of no value, however notice how much greed that is going on with different species. Ferengi for instance want nothing but power and money. If everything is worthless, then what leads this species to believe money solves everything.
    Romulans want control of sectors that have no value. J Class systems with a habitable planet or two. Whats the point of owning space ?
     
  2. AmericanTerrorist

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    Money is the root of all evil.

    That and passion.

    That is it.

    Money and love.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

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    If money is the root of all evil, does evil occur in hunter gatherer cultures who don't have money?
     
  4. thedope

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    coconuts are the root of all evil
     
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    Not in Siberia.
     
  6. thedope

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    There it is cold.
     
  7. thedope

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    evil is a threat we perceive to our being, without the perception evil doesn't appear
     
  8. Meliai

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    passion isn't always the same thing as love.
     
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    I also don't think passion is the root of all evil (ok, together with money). Maybe specfic passions like greed or a passion for power? But not passion in general.
     
  11. Moonglow181

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    The root of all evil comes from only man himself...and many things can set it off.....
     
  12. Moonglow181

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    Look what seem people are doing in the name of their religion, even.
     
  13. Asmodean

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    It is still arguable and open to debate that if we would all grant eachother the same and there would be no greed (highly hypothetical of course) that there would be no evil deeds anymore, but surely it is very likely that there would be a lot less.
    That's why greed or granting someone else less right over something than yourself for whatever reason seems to be one of the main reasons why we do 'evil' ...Which is not some kind of force or thing but an abstract concept or conviction we place on stuff, people or deeds (felt like adding the obvious :p). So the root of evil can also be deduced to be our own imagination :D
     
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    The poor we have with us always no matter what and the reason is in how life adapts. Not every individual survives to maturity. In fact the number is small in relation to the number of starts. Keep rolling the dice. Choose again.
     
  15. themnax

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    money is a fantasy that egos and guns create a world that depends on it. nothing in nature does this.

    it is a convenience that at the same time creates unnatural misfortunes. but it is only because of ego.

    aggressiveness is what greed is a form of.

    poverty isn't the inconvience of lacking symbolic value, but the lack of access to the means of gratification.

    a situation that can be created and avoided both with and without symbolic value.

    i don't feel sorry for money being scape goated, but inaccuracy does not lead to useful solutions.
     
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    "the world""the world". what the hell is this "the world" people keep bitching about?
    there's nothing wrong with the rocks, nor the trees, nor even little furry creatures with big sharp teeth.
    the only "world" there's anything wrong with, is the "world" of human society.
    and the only thing wrong with that, is the human ego, and religious beliefs, like christianity, that have become dominant, by appealing to it.
     
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    Capitalism used to be a good thing. Not so much anymore. Back in the 70's when I was handed my first management job, the prevailing corporate philosophy was that management had 3 interlocking sets of customers.
    1. The good people (consumers, businesses, governments) who purchased their goods and services.
    2. The employees, who largely produced and distributed those goods and services.
    3. The owners, who had risked capital in the company, and were entitled to received its profits.
    There was a careful distinction made between the company's purpose and its motivation.
    1. Purpose: to provide customers with goods and services.
    2. Motivation: to make a profit.
    This was capitalism at its best. Employees had good wages, generous 'defined benefit' pension plans and group health and life insurance, with the company picking up most of the tab.

    Employees took good care of customers, providing quality goods and attentive service.
    Customers stayed loyal and provided the owners with fair profits.

    This was the thinking in post WWII America, and it was America's golden age and the envy of the world. Prosperity was at an all time high. The wage gap had never been smaller. Managers that fucked around with this model found themselves nose-to-nose with tough unions, and generally didn't do so good. Auto manufacturers might be a decent example, and they made themselves weak and vulnerable on several counts (product quality, cost, customer loyalty (they didn't bother asking what their customers wanted, they just kept dishing out the same old shit) to Japanese imports. The oil crisis happened but then 2 other blunders: Reagan and presidents since, including democrats went on a union busting spree, and Jack Welsh announced that from then on, his managers were to focus only on shareholders. Fuck the employees and the customers. Health insurance benefits were reduced or hugely increased in price; generous pensions were replaced with the much less attractive 'defined contribution' type, and without the support of strong unions employees found them stuck in the Ayn Rand model - they were faceless corporate tools, entitled to nothing more than what the corporation thought they worth.

    This was the start of what we now see to be the worst ever gap between rich and poor, or, if you prefer, between owners and slaves. This is ugly capitalism, with no purpose other than profit at any cost, including a world-wide recession that still persists, thanks to corporate malfeasance.

    It got worse. Over the last number of years we have seen a rise of the phenomenon know as shareholder activism. Some clown, usually a hedge fund manager, buys up large blocks of shares of still decent companies, force their way onto the board of directors and demand that the board act to 'increase shareholder value', think-speak for cut expenses to increase profits to shareholders. Some decent managers tried to refuse. So the ass-holes would, as was their right, would sell the shareholders a ship-load of blarney and put up a rival slate of candidates to replace the hold-outs at the next shareholder meeting.Then old management got tossed by the vast majority of shareholders blinded by promises of higher dividends and share prices, and the looting began. Massive staff cuts, as much as 100% as production was shipped to 3rd world countries where labour cost 10ยข per day instead of $10.00 per hour. Production efficiencies (translate cheaper raw materials meaning shoddier goods for customers) and the rich get ever richer and the poor get ever poorer.

    This is the pathology of greed.

    I agree with the Tyrsonswood and others who said that the enemy is not money, it's greed. I would go 1/2 step further: It's Greed and Fear. Greed got the great recession rolling, fear got it into high gear.

    It is also untrue that the poor will be with us always. That's a topic for another day.
     
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  18. thedope

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    period
     
  19. Cherea

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    tl,dr

    This rather sounds like the feller who got home to find his wife cheating on him in his own bed with a particularly intimidating hunk..and quickly proceeded to throw away the mattress.
     
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    ^^^ Yeah!







    Wait!






    What?
     

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