Antibiotic-resistant diseases on the rise

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  1. fraggle_rock

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    From the WHO article:

    "Without urgent, coordinated action, the world is heading towards a post-antibiotic era, in which common infections and minor injuries, which have been treatable for decades, can once again kill."

    I only briefly scanned the DM article, but to me that was the scariest part.
    You don't actually need to dress this shit up to make it scary.
     
  2. odonII

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    You missed: "Effective antibiotics have been one of the pillars allowing us to live longer, live healthier, and benefit from modern medicine. Unless we take significant actions to improve efforts to prevent infections and also change how we produce, prescribe and use antibiotics, the world will lose more and more of these global public health goods, and the implications will be devastating" http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=8002152&postcount=8


    It is more about giving antibiotics in the right way for the given period of time, imho.
     
  3. katkin

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    Ah yes, t'was me who mentioned scaremongering :blush5:
     
  4. odonII

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    Yes. Me: Not that time, no ;)
     
  5. katkin

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    Yeah, this has been a big part of it, and has supposedly been dealt with. Hopefully as well as the food side, but the problem of antibiotic resistance remains, and like I said earlier, this was found out in the 50's and so new froms of the drug is always in need of experimentation.
     
  6. odonII

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    With the NHS it does come down to NICE and cost. I do not think antibiotic resistance is a major issue outside of providing said antibiotics.
     
  7. OddApple

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    Well, your grasp of biological science as applied to medicine puts you in the peanut gallery on that, with only "what you think". You who always say "prove it!" Can't even make a statement beyond wishful thinking, personal belief ~ la
     
  8. odonII

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    Yeah, and by what you have said so far, you sound like a positive expert on the matter.
     
  9. OddApple

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    Well I kind of am? At least I can track the difference between genotype diseases and sift through the tripe the us industry puts out and also - puts down. Don't look for much in antibiotics for 2-5 more years, just re-hashes of the oldies in doses and forms previously outlawed. Even the uk people don't forsee anything for that time or longer, but our country keeps no rules and does what it wants.
     
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    How do you know what the UK thinks? What has brought you to that conclusion?

    I do not think any US industry tripe has been mentioned. Is this about the U.S?
     
  11. OddApple

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    Because I talk to drug researchers in the uk pumpkin. This is not about the us, it is global.
     
  12. BlackBillBlake

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    Right. This is a real issue, as anyone who keeps up with news should know.

    They already have so called 'super-bugs' which are almost impossible to treat.
     
  13. Gongshaman

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    As with a lot of things, I blame it on lawyers.
    Doctors give that shit out (antibiotics) because the public expects it, and they are afraid that the one time they don't prescribe the shit, the person gets a massive infection and sues the crap out of him. It's also the reason Dr's are so skittish about giving out decent pain medication. Fear of litigation drives a lot of whats wrong with allopathic medicine these days.
     
  14. BlackBillBlake

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    That's an issue in the US I fully agree, not so much in the UK. But still doctors have massively over prescribed antibiotics over the years. And it's hard to get effective painkillers.

    Another issue I have read about is that if you are prescribed a course of antibiotics and you don't complete the course, that can help the bacteria develop immunity. They adapt fairly rapidly.

    Perhaps we'll create a new plague eventually.
     
  15. odonII

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    Ok, if you say so.
     
  16. AmericanTerrorist

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    Antibiotic resistance bacteria has been on the rise for a long time. I had MRSA four times (and I'm also allergic to MANY antibiotics which made it VERY difficult for me)...anyways, this was back, 7-8 years ago. I ended up going to an IDD before of my allergies as well and I ended up eradicating the MRSA from my body (five negative nasal tests later that is proven) but it was hard... bleach baths, medicine in my nose for well, a while...and other things... in ANY CASE, yea, antibiotic resistant bacteria is rising for two diff reasons-overuse of antibiotics in humans and also in farm animals. I no longer eat any meat from animals that have been given antibiotics...
    also when I was at the IDD I found out some crazy stuff... like mrsa has been found in huge amounts in the ocean (atlantic anyways) and in many gyms, etc.

    I'm just glad I don't have to deal w that shit anymore.
     
  17. Gongshaman

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    Excactly right, if you don't complete the regiment you are actually encouraging the selection of antibiotic resistant strains. What happens is people start feeling better and stop taking them. Worse than that I've witnessed people sharing thier leftover scrips with friends..." oh you got the sniffles? Take some of my uethromycin (or whatever), they helped me" Doctors in the US have been over-prescribing antibiotics for decades. The good news for those of us that rarely or never take antibiotics, when you need them for something serious they work miracles. The bad news is, with people out there mis-useing antibiotics and ending up inadvertent super-bug incubators, all bets are off.

    Thats exactly what experts are worried about with MRSA I hear.
     
  18. fraggle_rock

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    Well, the fact that they stress preventing infections is pretty scary too. It's not like these things don't exist... they're here, and they're going to spread.

    Gonorrhea is one of the diseases developing a resistance... that's not something that's going to be so easy to stop from spreading.

    http://www.livescience.com/26110-std-gonorrhea-may-become-incurable.html
     
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    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/824553

    Middle East Respiratory Syndrome has been confirmed in Indiana.
    It bugs me that this person was allowed to re- enter the us, roam around chicago for awhile and then ride a petri tub (bus) to somewhere in Indiana. Unspecified, just like the hospital they are supposedly isolated in.
    It also bothers me that if it can jump genotypes then it can become more transmissable with every jump it makes. But I guess very soon we'll see. A month from today will tell.
     
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    Medscape Medical News

    Troy Brown, RN



    April 30, 2014

    Antibiotic resistance is occurring all over the world in bacteria
    responsible for common but serious infections, including
    sepsis, diarrhea, pneumonia, urinary tract infections, and
    gonorrhea, according to a new report from the World Health
    Organization (WHO).

    Experts from the WHO held a press conference in Geneva,
    Switzerland, today to present data from the organization's first
    global report on antimicrobial resistance and antibiotic
    resistance in 114 countries. The report is the most
    comprehensive report of drug resistance to date and includes
    information on drug resistance in other infections including
    HIV, malaria, tuberculosis, and influenza.

    Antimicrobials have been one of the foundations of modern
    healthcare, Keiji Fukuda, MD, assistant director-general for
    Health Security, WHO, explained. Antimicrobial resistance
    occurs when bacteria change so that antibiotics and
    antimicrobials are no longer effective against them.

    "This report documents that resistance is a global trend," Dr.
    Fukuda said. "This is not a regional phenomena, this is not a
    phenomena occurring in just poor countries or developing
    countries, or in rich countries or developed countries. This is
    something which is occurring in all countries in the world."

    Dr. Fukuda emphasized that antimicrobial resistance is no
    longer a problem of the future, but one that is occurring today.

    "All of us...when we are most vulnerable and in need of these
    medicines, there is a chance that they are simply not going to
    be available, and we are not going to have access to effective
    medical care in a number of instances," Dr. Fukuda added.
    Vulnerable patients include those receiving chemotherapy,
    premature babies, malnourished children, and surgical
    patients.

    Common diseases can be very serious when antimicrobials
    are ineffective. Diarrhea is a common disease that is usually
    self-limited, but when it is resistant to antimicrobials, it can
    become very serious and even fatal, Carmem Pessoa, MD,
    PhD, team leader, antimicrobial resistance, WHO, said.

    Critical Findings

    All regions of the world are experiencing resistance to
    carbapenem antibiotics for treatment of Klebsiella
    pneumoniae, a major cause of hospital-acquired
    infections including pneumonia, bloodstream infections,
    and infections in newborns and intensive care unit
    patients. Carbapenem antibiotics are last-resort
    treatment for K pneumoniae and are ineffective in more
    than half of those treated for K pneumoniae infections in
    some countries.

    Resistance to fluoroquinolones, one of the most
    commonly used antibiotics for the treatment of
    Escherichia coli–caused urinary tract infections, is very
    widespread. Fluoroquinolones are now ineffective in
    more than half of patients in some countries.

    Third-generation cephalosporins, the last-resort
    treatment for gonorrhea, have been found to be
    ineffective in Austria, Australia, Canada, France, Japan,
    Norway, South Africa, Slovenia, Sweden, and the United
    Kingdom. At least 1 million people are infected with
    gonorrhea around the world every day.

    Antibiotic resistance causes patients to be ill longer and
    increases the risk for death. It is estimated that patients
    with methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus are
    64% more likely to die than those with a nonresistant
    form of the infection. Healthcare costs are increased in
    patients with antimicrobial-resistant infections because
    of longer hospital stays and the need for more intensive
    care.
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    There's a lot more to this but you get the gist...
     

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