Attitudes towards politics

Feels like I'm stating the obvious but to get anywhere near the Constitutional Republican model , you describe you want, you are first gona need a democracy that receptive enough to allow that to happen. That goes for most other issues in yours & my respective societys.

I'm assuming too that a Constitutional Republic would still use democratic means at a local level & beyond as the most reasonably fair means of representation?

Apart from one person one vote I have no specific definition of democracy given that the USAs structure differs from others. Succesive prominent polititians in the USA refer to America being the greatest democracy in the world.

 

I am basically a political atheist.

 

Why not start a Thread ?:2thumbsup:

 

Government, of any form, Democracy, Socialism, Communism, etc. works most acceptably at the Local level, where those who are governed under it has greater access to those who they elect or appoint to govern them. All forms of government tend to deteriorate as they grow larger, limiting access to but a small number of the governed, who are favored in their treatment by the government. Small governments, democratically elected, like local governments are less able to keep secrets from those they govern, and as such are much more easily replaced, and corrective actions applied to undo their misdoings.

 

Yes, my attitude towards politics is more positive because we need a leader more accurate and caring for the illiterate people who actually needs the support.In today's world rich person continuously becoming a rich and poor are still the same.Yes of course i vote for the deserving politics leader.

 

i like this! well put.

 

Not a Democracy but a democratic process.

Yes, that is true, each local society is left free to exercise the democratic process in making decisions that are necessary for their well being.

Unlike your unitary State, the U.S.A. was founded as a Republic comprised of what are now 50 States which Article IV, Section 4, guarantees them a Republican Form of Government, protecting each of them against Invasion, AND on Application of the Legisltaure, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. And then there is the 10th Amendment which was intended to prevent the Federal government from taking powers from the States and the people.

The original intent was for the Federal government to administer the powers given it by the people, NOT to dictate over the States and the people.

 

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But as has been shown many, many times yours is an ideology that works at all levels and would be just as harmful at a local as it would be at a national level.

And localism is fine up to a point but only up to a point, for example someone – say X – lives in a prosperous area with high employment, they might ‘evaluate’ and find little reason to give money to help people since there are few disadvantaged. But only a few miles away there could be a town with high unemployment with many people in hardship but since X doesn’t live there, doesn’t go there and so cannot ‘evaluate’ that towns needs they have to suffer hardship.

If you have a national scheme with the duty, time, and knowledge to ‘evaluate’ things nationally if can move resources to those places where it is most needed.

But if often then that you get self serving arguments or ones based in prejudice and bias.

Why should I give money to people I haven’t personally evaluated I mean they are most likely feckless, scroungers.

The people around here don’t need so much help probably because they work harder than those feckless scroungers.

But a ‘democratic process’ doesn’t have to be very democratic, we have been through this many times – even the society that gave us the word ‘democracy’ had a very limited democracy, and you have suggested a ‘democratic’ system where wealth would have greater voting power so it could block the votes of the majority.

 

I enjoy the philosophies that lay beyond politics more than I enjoy their actual applications.

There was a time when I enjoyed debating politics. What I've come to realize is that "politics", as most people deem important, is really just a distraction. A show. There is more going on.

You can't really change people's opinions by fighting with them about it. The best thing you can do is educate yourself about what is really going on, question everything you think you know, abstain from silly bickering, and use your knowledge to guide your daily life.

 

Agree with above^^^ I vote but I am not a member of a party in particular..both sides are corrupt and are out to make themselves rich I think..I think they play people against each other to make themselves wealthy and the big companies even richer..
It is almost always about money though for any politican..If you are a regular person and do not have millions of dollars or corporate sponsers then anyone with cash and a way to make big business more cash get elected!!

 

its all bullshit, anarchy is the only way out of it, it seems.

 

i'm interested in the kind of world we all have to live in. to the extent that is effected by politics, of course i'm interested in that too. i'm as resentful as anyone of having to be, but as long as we have a world that is run by it, i don't see any other choice then to take some interest in it.

but i will say this about the form of my interest. i'm interested in real issues. not bullshit about personalities.

and to me, the big issue is environment, and how the various technologies of the various forms of infrastructure play into it.

 

if only it were that simple, and we could opt out that easilty. but i will agree there are no ideological solutions. it all comes from the incentives we create by how we live.

 

I'm not interested in politics it's all bullshit. One mans promise is another man lie and I'm just a regular guy.

People who consistently talk politics are annoying too. Like go and become a politician then ya twit, don't sit there at a pub telling the joint how things should be and what you'd do, go out and fucking do it then. Or a forum board either for that matter. If you're all political on a forum board and that's all you do and all you know I damn pitty you. Arm chair politicians Ha! Scum. Of. The. Earth.

 

sure, like i said, personalities aren't the thing. personalities and ideologies, sure that's all bullshit. but there are real issues too. in the real politic, it is up to all of us, to stop destroying the only world we have to live on. by which i mean its ability to support us.

you know who's most vulnerable to mass extinctions? the top predator, that's who. and you know who that is now? that's us.

 

Don't really know how much more Americans can take, or should take. I believe the system is totally corrupt....both parties. My first question to anyone running is, "Are you a lawyer?" If the answer is yes then they don't get my vote. This in IMHO a safe position as far as anything being safe in politics. I hate it.

 

Attitude: = Dis-hearted
Interest: = Yes - though with cynical observation
Voting: = Yes - though based on Candidate words -And, Actions
Encouragement: = An Inspirational Candidate / Leader / Party

 

OK at least on Hip Forums your vote will not be stolen by crooked politicians

 

My attitude. One mans promise is another mans lie.

 

my interest is in the kind of world we have to live in. to the degree it is affected by political policy and decision making, i find it impossible to avoid.

this idea of being government by the winners of a beauty contest, about whom we can never really know, among however many billions of us there are in one country, i have to agree, this is a concept basically flawed.

the inverted pyramid, where everyone gets to decide among what they personally know, makes far more sense to me. as does extending THAT to the planetary level and beyond, but NEVER by force.