Pepper Spray Cop Wants Workers Comp Now

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  1. skip

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    UPDATE 11/21: 5,000 UC Davis Students Re-Occupy Quad to protest Pepper Spray incident. General Strike Called for Nov 28th. Anonymous releases pepper spray officer's personal info and threatens police.

    In an incredible act of Police Brutality and cruelty, a police office at UC Davis pepper sprayed a line of students having a sit-in at the University. The horrified students screamed as the officer sprayed them. The police were not at all threatened by the students.

    Immediately afterwards the students began to chant, "Shame on you!" as the police began arresting the seated protesters and dragging them away.

    The now angry students so shouted down the police, the police began to back away slowly, forming a tight defensive circle. The students then started shouting "You Can Go!" and soon the police left with their "tails between their legs!"

    If the students had not been so peaceful, the aggressive police action could've started a riot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjnR7xET7Uo"]Police Pepper Spray Peaceful UC Davis Students - YouTube

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...tudents_n_1102728.html?ref=occupy-wall-street
     
  2. skip

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    Were you there boogabah?
     
  3. Aerianne

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    He sprayed them down like someone might spray insecticide on a line of ants. :(
     
  4. skip

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    How sad to see such police brutality directed at peaceful protesters. This is what America has become, a police state where anyone protesting the status quo is viewed as the "enemy" now. Our rights and freedoms are being stripped away further every day.

    This must change!

    Where the FUCK is Obama on this? Not a single word from him. And he wants to be re-elected? He's playing it way too cool for his own good. He better come out and tell America's law enforcement how to act.

    This is all going to end up in court one day and all these cash strapped police departments are going to be hit with multi-million dollar class action lawsuits that will bankrupt some cities. And guess what'll happen then? Many of these police officers will lose their jobs! Eventually they'll be on the side of the protesters once their MERCENARY pay is gone.

    There MUST BE SOME PENALTY for those LEOs who act with brutality and without compassion. We may not be able to wait for the courts to render judgement. There should be a judgement of the PEOPLE, on the spot! I'm thinking citizen arrests or some such action, where the police are immediately removed from the scene and put thru the same process they mete out to those they arrest.

    How about a People's court? At the very least, badge numbers need to be recorded. Fortunately with all the video being recorded, the police will find it hard to be anonymous, and they can personally be sued for their actions. Of course it's far better to get the individuals who ordered the action. They bear full responsibility. Like the police chiefs mayors of these cities. Let's tie them up in court for years...

    We must break thru the police brotherhood of protecting each other, and single out those who violate our freedoms and commit brutality.
     
  5. midgardsun

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    I dont think police are going to be punished in a police state.

    With this 80 year cycle of capitalism and monetary system reaching its final phase I think we will more likely see the biggest international surveillance, propaganda and police states union ever, with unlimited infos on the protestors privat lives.

    Welcome to the New World Order
     
  6. Boogabaah

    Boogabaah I am not here

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    not physically.. but i support the students in their actions!
     
  7. Aerianne

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    Moved by yesterday’s footage of UC Davis students being pepper-sprayed by police, UCD Assistant Professor Nathan Brown wrote an open letter to Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi , in which he claims “police forced open [protesters'] mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats.”
    http://thedailywh.at/2011/11/19/occupy-movement-news-update-of-the-day-16/

    Full Letter here:http://bicyclebarricade.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/open-letter-to-chancellor-linda-p-b-katehi/
     
  8. Tyrsonswood

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    The students handled this very well.... the cops were over the top and couldn't deal with a peaceful response. Hopefully it can remain a peaceful resistance as that speaks louder than a "riot response" which would get turned around in the media as "The protesters started it and got what they deserved" As long as we can hold the peaceful line it's going to be seen as the cops that are the ones doing wrong......

    I hope those brutally pepper sprayed recover quickly.
     
  9. MikeE

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    I happened to be there. Not as a participant.

    It was a bit surreal.
    As the cops approached, the protesters cleaned up the site. The camp gathered its small gear and removed it, leaving tents, banners and such. Bikes were racked away from the site.
    Apparently, preparing the ground and abating trip hazards is a part of non-violence.

    The cops got closer. The protesters were chanting and the cops had their bullhorn.
    When the cops got about 20 ft away, every one got quiet while a protester lead the group in a non-violence pledge. It felt sort of like saying grace before dinner.
    Then folks went back to bull-horning and chanting.

    This is going to sound odd, but I ask you to consider the professional police officer who values professionalism.
    I notice that in that clip only one officer acts improperly.
    As to the other officers?
    Given that they are cops arresting protesters, the other officers make their arrests without unnecessary roughness. Those who aren't arresting people aren't very aggressive with the crowd.

    Compared to the cops down the road in Berkeley and Oakland, these officers were professional and used minimum violence, with one exception.

    I mention this not to excuse the police's actions, but to commend the Davis student movement.

    Three years ago, there was a fee protest that ended badly. Some in the movement recognized that the protesters contributed to the violence. Since then non-violence has become important at protests.

    Through many marches and several occupations of Mrak Hall, the movement and UCD PD have encountered each other and interacted.

    (Factoid: UCD has its own police department, separate from the city, with sworn officers, not rent-a-cops.)

    This is an example of non-violent action de-escalating the reaction.
    If you look at 2:00 onwards, the cops don't look worried about the crowd. They are calmly doing their job. Their relationship with the protesters is much better than in Berkeley or Oakland. Nothing is being thrown and no cop is tensed up waiting to see what was thrown. The last three years of actions determined the expected level of violence.

    That's to the credit of the last two years of the movement. Non-violence protest begets less violent response.

    The aftermath could have been much worse.
    The non-violent aftermath is the fruit of the Davis student movement's history of action as well as their actions on Friday.

    Well done!

    ANNOUNCMENT: UCD Student Strike, Monday 21. Nov, noon on the Quad.
     
  10. jo_k_er_man

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    Why not put the government to the test to show their true colors.. start a protest in a town of like 5000... where there are a maximum of like 8 cops on the force and see if Obama enacts martial law and have military take over as the police.. then there will be no "is the fed sending these cops?"
     
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    Chemical agents used in law enforcement
    Oleoresin capsicum

    Oleoresin capsicum (OC) is a natural oily compound that is extracted from cayenne pepper. It has been used in warfare for several centuries. Around 2000 BC in China, armies would burn red pepper to produce a suffocating smoke. The US Postal Service has used OC as a dog repellent since 1961. The first law-enforcement OC aerosol, commonly called pepper spray, was manufactured in 1973.

    OC contains several active ingredients called capsaicinoids, which include capsaicin, dihydrocapsaicin, nordihydrocapsaicin, homodihydrocapsaicin, homocapsaicin, and nonivamide. Capsaicin, the main capsaicinoid, is a crystalline alkaloid (8-methyl-N-vanillyl-6-nonenamide; C18H27NO3) and is approved by the Food and Drug Administration as a topical treatment for pain from rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, zoster, and diabetic neuropathy. Capsaicin also has been used in the treatment of chronic rhinitis.

    Effects of OC aerosols

    OC is an inflammatory agent that causes pain, erythema, and edema. Its effects as an aerosol are immediate, and it is safer and more effective than other riot-control agents.

    Cutaneous and mucous membrane effects

    OC aerosols cause a transient inflammation of the skin and mucous membranes, usually associated with a burning sensation and erythema..


    Ocular effects

    OC aerosols cause severe eye pain, conjunctivitis, blepharospasm, and lacrimation. Once a subject is sprayed with OC, fighting abilities are decreased mostly from difficulty with vision that is caused by eye inflammation.

    Respiratory effects

    The respiratory effects of OC include coughing and shortness of breath, without other objective findings. One study found no significant differences in forced vital capacity, FEV1, oxygen, and CO2 levels between a group exposed to OC and a placebo group . Another study found a transient (less than 60 seconds) decrease of airway conductance after capsaicin inhalation, with no difference in magnitude or duration observed between normal subjects and those with asthma.

    Psychologic effects

    Psychologic effects are critical to law enforcement applications. Most subjects, when they do not have a strong goal to fight the effects of OC, tend to panic after exposure. The fear of blindness and suffocation can be overwhelming. Subjects might be unable to function or fight, and some might fall to the ground in a fetal position.

    OC does not stop a determined assailant. Most police officers, who are exposed in training and especially if they have been well prepared for the effects of OC and given a task to achieve after the exposure, tend to perform well despite the discomfort caused by OC. It seems that having a strong goal is the critical factor that allows people to fight through the effects of OC. Officers deploying OC should be aware that criminals can resist OC. This agent does not replace firearms, impact weapons, defensive tactics, and other defense and control tools. It should not be used in a deadly force situation. Some people seem to be naturally immune to the effects of OC: The usual estimation is that OC is effective on 80% to 85% of the population .

    OC also is used as a defense against bears and dogs. Trained dogs, when given a specific task before being sprayed, have been shown to withstand OC. Like humans, they can use a strong goal to overcome the effects of OC.

    Most of the effects of OC last for less than 45 minutes, with an average duration of about 30 minutes. A mild conjunctivitis can persist for several hours. Rarely, a corneal abrasion has been observed after exposure to OC aerosols, but this effect resolved within 24 hours without treatment. Studies found an incidence of corneal abrasion of up to 10% . A study of 47 subjects, only found punctate epithelial erosions, without abrasion. The exact cause of the corneal abrasion after OC exposure is unknown. Solvents, the pressure of the spray, or the rubbing of eyes after exposure, in addition to OC, have been suggested as possible causes.

    OC has an established track record of safety. It is used widely by police agencies in the United States and other countries. No death has ever been proved to be caused by OC exposure. In 1994, the International Association of Chiefs of Police published a report on in-custody death after OC exposure. The report concluded that OC was not the cause of death in any of the cases. Deaths after OC exposure are usually the consequence of excited delirium, a condition that is characterized by extreme agitation, hyperthermia, rhabdomyolysis, renal failure, and hyperkalemia. The chronic use of excitant drugs, mostly cocaine, causes excited delirium.

    OC spray selection

    The pungency of chili peppers is measured in Scoville heat units (SHU) . The original pungency testing was performed using a panel of five experienced subjects who tasted the spices. The American Spice Trade Association, using high-pressure liquid chromatography, designed a modern, more reliable method. Most law enforcement sprays have a pungency of 500,000 to 2 million SHU. One brand has sprays with 5.3 million SHU. Hotter sprays (with more SHU) tend to have faster effects.

    Another characteristic of OC aerosol is the concentration of capsicum, which varies from 2% to 17%. Most law enforcement sprays have a concentration of 5% to 10%. A higher concentration generally means longer-lasting effects, which is not necessarily desirable. The concentration of capsaicin, the main active ingredient, is not the same as the capsicum concentration, which is stated on the label of the canister. The capsicum concentration is a poor indicator of the efficiency of the aerosol. The concentration of capsaicin would be a better indicator, but it is rarely available . The National Institute of Justice is financing research that would help determine the exact composition of available pepper sprays and standardize formulations.

    Some OC aerosols use an alcohol-containing solution. These formulations should not be sprayed near an open flame. Once a subject has been sprayed with an alcohol-based aerosol, a taser or an electric stun gun should not be used, because the risk for burns is significant.

    OC aerosols offer different dispersion shapes, depending on the application. The cone is effective on the eyes, respiratory system, and mucous membranes, and its risk for secondary exposure is high. The stream is more target specific and is more effective in high winds, and the risk for secondary exposure is low. The foam is best for indoor use, especially in a crowded environment, because the secondary exposure is minimal. The fogger deploys a cloud of OC under high pressure, with the goal of affecting everybody in a large area.

    OC decontamination

    Soap and baby shampoo can be used to remove OC oily compounds from the face and hands, mainly to prevent secondary recontamination. Milk, soda, baby shampoo, sugar solutions, water, and commercial decontaminants have been used, and no one method has been proven to be superior to another. Some OC trainers believe that commercial decontaminants are not superior to water and fresh air. Water, fresh air, and time seem to be the best agents that ease the pain. Once the inflammation starts, no decontaminant can stop it. The goal of the decontamination process is to remove the OC from the skin to prevent future recontamination.

    A person who has been sprayed should be brought to a hospital if the symptoms persist for longer than 45 minutes or if the person requests it. Emergency medical services (EMS) should be called if signs of distress are observed (eg, loss of consciousness, difficulty breathing, chest pain)

    Exposure to OC during training
    A controversial issue in police training is whether officers should be exposed to OC. Although it is safe for healthy individuals, some police departments do not expose their officers to OC. Other departments have officers perform job-related tasks after exposure, like restraining or disarming a suspect or shooting a firearm.

    Officers are likely to be exposed to OC in the field and should know in advance how they can function after exposure. Assaults on police officers with pepper spray have occurred. Cross-contamination is common and occurs when officers deploy OC in a closed environment. Exposure during training helps officers react in a positive way if they experience significant OC exposure during an actual fight. Criminals can use OC to incapacitate officers to obtain access to their firearms. Training should address that issue. Previous OC exposure might be the best way to achieve successful firearm retention during an actual attack, when coupled with firearm-retention techniques and mental conditioning.

    Panic has an important role in the human reaction to OC, and previous exposure decreases panic levels. Training helps officers overcome that panic and fear, which can result in an inability to protect themselves if sprayed with OC. Previous exposure is probably the best way to show officers that they can control their panic reaction.

    Other reasons to expose officers include acceptability and liability. Spraying officers shows the community that OC is not dangerous and may not necessarily constitute excessive use of force or police brutality. The knowledge about the effects of OC help officers articulate in court their use of force escalation, possibly up to deadly force, when they are assaulted with OC. If they know from personal experience what happens when exposed to OC, it would be easier to justify the actions they took to defend themselves from a suspect who threatened them with OC. Officers can explain that OC is not a magic bullet and that suspects may require more force to arrest them if OC has failed.

    Personal experience might increase the confidence in OC use. Such knowledge improves officers' understanding of the effectiveness of OC as a defense and an arrest tool and its strengths and weaknesses.

    Officers and suspects benefit when officers participate in a live OC training exercise, which is an excellent way to learn decontamination procedures. Officers learn what steps to follow to help in the decontamination of suspects. Because they experience the discomfort caused by OC, officers also learn to feel empathy toward these suspects.

    During a training session, the OC canister should be kept at a safe distance from the person being sprayed, as recommended by the manufacturer (usually 3 feet), to avoid eye damage caused by the pressure of the aerosol [13,14]. Officers should wait a sufficient amount of time (ie, at least 4 hours to allow the conjunctivitis to subside) after being sprayed before driving a car. The officers carefully should wash their hands and face and change exposed clothes to avoid secondary contamination while driving. Instructors should be ready to help officers decontaminate themselves, as necessary. A medical plan includes on-site medical supplies, quick access to 911 and EMS, and the presence of trained cardiopulmonary resuscitation and first aid personnel.

    There is anecdotal evidence that OC is not dangerous in asthmatics. According to a leading OC trainer, several hundreds of asthmatic officers have been sprayed in training, without any side effect (R. Ouellette, personal communication, 2001). OC is contraindicated during an acute asthma exacerbation. Pregnant officers should be allowed to opt out of OC exposure during training. Other contraindications might be articulated by the officer's personal physician, which may raise several questions: Should that officer be issued pepper spray considering the definitive risk for cross-contamination? How would that officer react if other officers deploy OC near him or her?

    The author's recommendation, as a physician and a pepper-spray instructor, is to encourage OC exposure during training, because it is safe and useful for officers. Whether it should be optional or mandatory has to be answered by the legal department as an OSHA issue and a use-of-force issue. If officers are not exposed directly to OC, they should at least watch a film showing the effects of pepper spray.

    Other riot gases

    Omega-chloroacetophenone (CN) was the original active ingredient used in self-defense sprays . It was developed in 1869 and has been used as a riot-control gas since the late 1920s. CN usually is defined as an irritant agent. This aerosolized solid is effective within a few seconds and has a LCt50 (concentration of chemical agent that will kill by inhalation 50% of an exposed population) of 14,000 mg·min/m3. Exposure to CN can cause lacrimation, shortness of breath, skin inflammation, and nausea. CN relies mostly on pain compliance and might be less effective on intoxicated and agitated subjects. CN cross-contamination is a major issue, because CN particles can remain airborne for some time after deployment. CN can cause severe dermatitis, necrotizing keratitis, suppurative iridocyclitis, and a potentially deadly pulmonary edema. It is not used commonly in law enforcement in the United States.

    o-chlorobenzylidene malonitrile (CS) is a common riot-control gas that has been used by the US military since 1960 . It was developed in 1928 and initially was used as a riot-control gas in 1956 in Cyprus by the British military. CS usually is defined as a tear gas. This aerosolized solid is effective within 20 to 60 seconds and has an LCt50 of 25,000 mg·min/m3 and a LD50 of 200 mg/kg. Exposure to CS can cause lacrimation, persistent coughing, nasal discharge, shortness of breath, skin inflammation, and nausea. Law enforcement applications of CS include crowd-control situations where the goal is to displace a crowd, rather than “knock its members to the ground”, when OC might be more appropriate. CS is the most popular chemical self-defense spray in Europe for police and civilian markets, but more European police agencies are switching to OC.

    Chemical agents have been used by law enforcement for about 80 years. Compared with other agents, OC has proved to have superior effectiveness, reliability, and most importantly, safety for officers and suspects. Although the issues of exposure during training and decontamination remain unsolved, OC has been established as a standard nonlethal weapon in US law enforcement.
    http://www.theppsc.org/Services/Courses/Main.htm
     
  12. MikeE

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    On a practical level, there is a practice called Mutual Aid which means borrowing cops from near by jurisdictions so there are enough for the job at hand.

    On a theoretical level, taking actions in order to increase police oppressiveness seems counter productive.

    Another consideration is that actions like this depend on support from the community. "Start a protest in a town of like 5000." It's not our town, if the town doesn't start the protest themselves, it won't work.
     
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    On Saturday, after a news conference she held, UC Davis Chancellor Katehi remained inside one of the university's buildings for a couple hours. Outside, protesters regrouped. And when she emerged, there was one of the most amazing scenes so far related to the Occupy movement. As Katehi and another woman walked three blocks to an SUV, they passed through a gauntlet of several hundred students — who remained silent in a powerful show of their disdain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8775ZmNGFY8&feature=player_embedded"]UC Davis Chancellor Katehi walks to her car (higher quality) - YouTube


    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...aying-a-powerfully-silent-protest-at-uc-davis

    ZW
     
  14. Tyrsonswood

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    Bet that creeped her out....... ;)


    Excellent response from the students.
     
  15. Aerianne

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    That was a class act on the part of the students! Well done!
     
  16. zombiewolf

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    This is what Pacifism looks like!

    This could be the seed to an evolution in social justice...
    ... can we shame the worlds leaders to redemption?

    ZW
     
  17. yellowcab

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    Wow that was awesome, hang you head low chancellor, protesters prove to be a class act. Their silence was far more powerful than any vocal protest could have been, it spoke volumes. Way to go UC Davis:2thumbsup:
     
  18. Aerianne

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    My grandson's father was a police officer for a short while. I watched a video from his police academy training. He was pepper sprayed and then had to kneel, take apart his service pistol, and put it back together. That was quite interesting to watch.
     
  19. zombiewolf

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    :2thumbsup:
    :mad:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/20/occupy-university-california-davis-police


    ZW
     
  20. Tyrsonswood

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    for a police state......
     

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