Who deserves medical care?

the only way I was able to get back on my feet was the fact that I did have disability income and was not that seriously mentally ill - had I been further disabled I would still be wandering

 

Glad you got back on your feet--------Joel

 

"for every job so many men
so many men no one needs"

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Here an independent body does decide which 'care' is cost effective.
But you can pay for any care you feel like - in the private sector.
That is the same in the US (you get what you pay for).
I'm not so sure about the sharing of data, I'm sure it is far better than the Dr having to ask.
The NHS is supposed to be all linked together, so... so no big deal.
I look at my healthcare system and I do not have to worry about paying for it.
Socialism works within the healthcare system.
Your way is just nuts.
Trust me.
Never going to see your way as a better way.

 

<< But you can pay for any care you feel like - in the private sector.>>

Ok....Somehow I got the idea from my friend (who is poor) that you did not have that option - I expect he meant him....if you have the choice that's the main thing that would concern me.

We don't like our private or medical info loose because it gets exploited too often.

We also are tired of paying for millions of nonviables already, let alone to be forced at gunpoint to buy muslm voters a free ride. We are not used to be gerbils in a mommy state but people become that if exposed long enough. As long as the banal and mediocre can't impede others people don't care, but when you start talking about a standard it is always a lower one.

As far as the rest goes we'll agree to disagree.

Although I suppose it's inevitable, I hate to see life in a habitrail. It's disgusting.

 

In what way is your private medical information being exploited?

 

Legally it can't be until you sign up for ocommie care. The aca is less about inferior health care and more about money sapping and eroding rights we have always enjoyed. The costs are ridiculous and the idiotic thing will have to be re-hashed a hundred times before it's even really "free health care for poor people" because they already had that. Tapping your bank account at will whether you agree, dispute or never even had an appointment, erasing the family/parent. If it was voluntary and was stealing even more than our gov already does people wouldn't care.

 

Non -viables. Interesting turn of phrase. I don't agree with forcing citizens to buy Romneycare/Obamacare. Insurance companies need to go the way of 8 track tapes and the use of horses for everyday travel. Single pay is working quite well in many CIVILIZED countries. Here, the fear of introducing ANY form of socialism because, god forbid, it might actually prove to work well, is anathema to the Randian forces. Then people would start to get ideas that would be inimical to rampant, roughshod, me first capitalism. Might move on to education. Maybe nationalizing the oil industry for the good of all. oooooo--might have to recognize Cuba!! Scary. Might have to stop interfering in the governments of other countries that stem from the desire for further enrichment of the 1%. Bad ideas. Please, let's just do things the way "we've" always done them. Obviously, everything is working well for all citizens. Don't scare the populace with new ideas. Dirty commies--that's what we are. How dare we attempt to make changes that would benefit the majority of citizens!! I should be ashamed of myself, for thinking like this. Uh-huh.

 

Could you answer my question without the rhetoric and hypotheticals?

 

I love single payer idea - ACA was the republican alternative to single payer - now they are objecting to it to deny coverage at all for poor.

and I don't see that many people screaming about being forced to carry car insurance?

 

You don't get a choice.
You can't opt out of the NHS.
If you were to be run over they will take you to a NHS hospital regardless of being rich or poor have a job or not one or ninety one.
It costs each person around £1500 (in other words the budget is around £90b a year.)
You don't pay more if your treatment over runs £1500.
Why is any of that concerning?

You mean YOU don't. Fair enough. I would not if every medical insurance company could get access to it with out my consent.

I do not care about any of that.

 

the conservative argument in a nutshell - if I don't like you die scum!

no poor people had no healthcare except emergency room and it is/was killing them - I still pay over 20% of my income for healthcare and I am one of the few managing to use it, most people I know just understand they are going to die far sooner than the ruling class AND be miserable and in pain their entire lives. All so they can have more things than they ever imagined since they can't even afford food. A civilized society cares about everyone within it - even if they are not of the majority or "perfect" or part of the privileged class. It is called compassion.

 

Your idea of compassion has 50% of our population as non-producing consumers. That never works. It goes tits up like it is now. Even NASA models say it's already irrevetsible, but that even if it weren't for the "I breathe therefor I'm owed!" Crowd, they say the elite their selves would crash it in another couple centuries. "Compassion" is not drowning viables because the dynamics of finance declared half our population unsustainable. The party is getting over fast for the non-producers and the elite alike. The pnly real bitch of it is that it gets all the rest of us too.

 

that figure includes everyone on aid, MOST of whom are hard working and make MASSIVE profits for the overlords (say Walmart + others) who are actually the biggest welfare recipients of all and the downfall predicted is because the planet is being ruined and messed up by overconsumption - NOT the fault of the poor, they consume less.

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<< d the downfall predicted is because the planet is being
ruined and messed up by overconsumption - NOT the fault of the poor, they consume
less.>>

So? I mean, how does that change the dynamic? A place like canada has what, like 15 million people? We have 150 million people or so as non producers. 150 million people just "here?". Too many of those people are "common core" idiots being made even worse by common core.
So, the 150 million or so that are struggling daily to survive should have a huge deductible they can't even pay, meaning they can no longer afford care, let alone quality care, so someone else can have the care they can not pay for anymore....free.
It's not the fault of people who are surviving, they made their own biscuit. Just because you perceive you have a big, stinky human mess that you don't know what to do with doesn't mean you can dump it on others. That's obama's main malfunction. Just because you sign your made up goofy name to a paper that says stealing is legal doesn't mean people are going to put up with it. The best evidence of that is it's utter failure so far.

 

everyone, period. healthcare is a modern day human right. in our day and age of medicine and technology, there is no reason anybody should be denied for lack of money or pre existing condition.

 

If we could just get rid of those damned non-viables--especially their children. I mean what good are they? Why do they expect so much from society? Jobs? Wouldn't work anyway. Health? What gall to expect the rest of us to care for them. They're not even real people. Expecting the rest of us to treat them as if they had the money WE do is just too much to ask. Cut back on the misplaced empathy and caring--it's wrong. Start the ovens, please.

 

Yeah, if you can't pay or got hurt for the wrong reason you don't deserve anything. Duh!