Globalization HAS to Happen

Globalization would only be a good thing in an idealistic (by the ideals of some), and therefore hypothetical world. So would many strategies that have failed us. It seems a waste of time to positively promote the idea. The ideals are not there, not consistently in enough of us. Have we not collectively trampled over eachother throughout history and led ourselves to where we are today? We have slain eachother over and over and over. Not all have agreed with many things that have brought us here, but here we are. I certainly don't recall it being the mice.

 

Really...that suprises me....what was your first clue?

 

Globalization does not equal being dominated by world government. The United States went under "mini-globalization" when the Fed took more power. Of course it has its downsides, but also its benefits. States can't tax each other, we have more efficient transportation, etc. Of course theres goods and bads, but if you just cling 100% to the bad then you blind yourself to the good.

What do you mean "globalization would work in a hypothetical society, therefore its a waste of time"? Corporations owning the world is only a "hypothetical world". If you decided to eat beans and rice, and live in a shack, than corporations wouldn't own the world. It's only your belief that corporations will own the world that gives it any power. If you can't even imagine a globalized world that is better than one taken over by corporations, than you've already sold soul and mind to the devil.

We are in an era where minds can meet at the speed of light. You just haven't truly grasped the power of this (for good or evil). The momentum of the past treads heavy on the minds of the old. That's why it's up to the new generation to make change, because we see with the potential of "now" instead of what we knew the other day.

Globalization is simply the meeting of minds around the world, nothing more or less. How those people decide to interact is another story....

 

"Of course theres goods and bads, but if you just cling 100% to the bad then you blind yourself to the good"
You're right on that. You are not right, however in your assumed perception of my pure pessimism. I think being cautious to optimism is warranted given our history. One wouldn't want to take an idealistic approach to anything when considering the vast number of variables here, at least I wouldn't.

"What do you mean "globalization would work in a hypothetical society, therefore its a waste of time"?"
You cut out the rest of that statement......In my opinion, it is a waste of time to promote it positively. To expand, as something that simply stated, will 'save us' from where we sit currently.

"Corporations owning the world is only a "hypothetical world". If you decided to eat beans and rice, and live in a shack, than corporations wouldn't own the world."
No, that behaviour would only serve the idea that the corporations wouldn't own ME and only if I grew the rice and beans myself with seeds not from Monsanto, in a shack built from natural materials found on land not yet claimed by anyone else. I am not the world.

"It's only your belief that corporations will own the world that gives it any power."
How do you know that's what I believe? I was talking about humanity, not corporations. As I said, corporations or not, we have trampled, slain, used and abused eachother all throughout history. Corporations motivated by worthless pieces of paper and numbers in bank computers aside, the perception that power over one another will lead to a feeling of satisfaction with life is a great downfall.

"If you can't even imagine a globalized world that is better than one taken over by corporations, than you've already sold soul and mind to the devil."
I can imagine it. If we're talking about imaginary worlds, I can imagine a lot of things. Of course I can imagine that things would work out just fine, IF so many hypothetical things were actually reality. I was, in my opinion, being logical and rational considering as much information (which I realize is very small in the greater scheme of things) that I have managed to accumulate thus far.

"We are in an era where minds can meet at the speed of light. You just haven't truly grasped the power of this (for good or evil)."
Really? How quickly some people in forums can label and claim to know eachother.

"Globalization is simply the meeting of minds around the world, nothing more or less. How those people decide to interact is another story...."[/QUOTE]
Now that, I also agree with!

 

All we can do is strive towards good, residing solely in pessism does nothing. Nothing's wrong with being cautious, but the least you can do is think of a positive world ALONG with a negative globalized one.

Vulnerable optimism isn't the issue. It's the lack of transparency of organizations (hiding behind other intentions, disassociation of knowledge) and people giving away their rights/responsibilities for security (caving into fear during crisis for quick security).

Promoting globalization positively is not a waste of time "from where we stand". The first step to success of anything is looking inside and dreaming, manifesting in your mind your ultimate goal. You might not know how you'll get there, but because you have that dream inside of you, you will be able to slowly manifest it at every opportunity given. Without goals we don't have guidance, and without guidance we are lost. You must always have a dream, the global elites used that exact principle to get their ball rolling, and it's dire for us to do the same.

The "if you ate beans and rice" example is an relays the fact that society is just a bunch of "me"s. All it takes is creating a culture based around good health, fashion independence, and you could change the world. All it takes is for you to convince one mind, and then he convinces another. Not to say its easy or instant, but that is simply the nature of society. Corporations have used this principle to get millions to be sucked into their reality, it's definately possible to get people out.

Humanity may have a bad history, but that doesn't have to snowball into the future. We just need proper reforms (less government, different education system, less regulations), more global knowledge/interconnectedness, and things can change. The fact that I can argue with you at the speed of light, at any distance, is such an amazing power it is godly. By debating religious dogmas across the world, spreading ideas, the world can change. That's why it's up to the youth, because they are born into this reality and see all it's problems/potentials (like my old parents who buy overly priced stuff at stores when they could of just ordered it online. Or still rent vhs's from the library, lol)

I'm telling you man, the possibility of a terrible globalized world is just as hypothetical as a heavenly one. They both have a billion situations would could change the outcome of everything. It's important to be cautious and aware of the bad, but that is not where your mind should reside. We manifest in our souls the utmost beautiful world, work out all the details, and then manifest it. When things in the world happen that go directly against what our souls yurn, we fight.

For example, we all no the dollar isn't backed up by anything and is essentially worthless if it weren't for faith. So why haven't we come up of creating a new society/system that ultimately converts these dollars into assets and then becomes self-supporting? Simply because not enough minds have put energy into the idea, and hasn't had enough gravity to yet manifest itself in the physical.

And man. What you're assuming that i'm saying is that communciation means friendship. What I'm saying is that a soul in California can put out a blip of information on a communal living forum. Then me in Ohio can look through the lake of "communal living" information and see if any other minds meld with mine. We'll talk to each other on a post for a while, and before you know it the topic snowballed into a full blown project/event! The internet combines every possible idea I can have about anything with anybody else's. And plus, from debating with other people on the forum it's very easy to see where their political/religious/ideological stands are.

 

All I can say man is, always dream of the positive. Not saying to be ignorant of the negative.

If you watch the news and worry about being murdered/raped/held hostage all the time, than that is your reality. You've forgotten about community watch, of good neighbors, etc, trust, etc.

I applaud many conspiracy theorists for being aware of global issues beyond the scope of the normal citizen, but they often fall trapped in a web of negativity. They get caught up in thinking about the bad so much that they never ever imagine the opposite. Seriously think about how many people you know like that. Please dont' be one of those people.

 

Modern Globalization has been warped by the conspiracy theorist community so that when we hear about it, we think of a powerful, controlling one-world government. A government that controls every aspect of your life, and eventually turns people into the witty, cliche term 'Sheeple'.

That's one side of the Modern Globalization argument, and presented in this thread is the other side, which is equally legitimate.

Did you know that only a small fraction of Obama's recent stimulus package could have ended world hunger? If MG became a reality, do you think it would be ludicrous if we all came together and permanently ended famine in third-world countries? Instead of giving stimulus to the United States of America, we would stimulate the United States of Humanity!

Imagine all that could be accomplished! Imagine feeling united not under religion, race, or nation, but united as a species!

We've all heard the term 'World Peace' get thrown around left and right, and Modern Globalization is the first step to making it a true reality!

 

You people are retarded if you think a one world government is a good thing. If this happens the world will be a very dull place. Globalization would take away all freedom of choice. As of now, if you don't like where you live and its people, culture, laws, etc, you can just leave and experience something different. Imagine being trapped in an oppressive government with NO ESCAPE.

Globalization is the final step to total control.

 

We're not retarded for thinking a unified world government is a good thing. This kid in my school, Conner, he's retarded... autistic in fact. But I'm not.

As I said in my post above, there's two possible outcomes of a global government. One might bring world control, the other might bring world peace. Unfortunately, people think of a global government as the big bad controlling monster that it's portrayed to be. You can thank paranoia-based conspiracy propaganda for this one-sided view of the NWO. Flip the coin around and on the other side, you have a free, loving, giving one-world government. Instead of talking about all this negative crap, maybe try to think of a solution. Disaster is never inevitable.

 

I really can't figure you out Yeal. I was hoping you'd given up on these boards. It's odd. I remember you telling us in another thread that you didn't know how to correct your age back to 15 or whatever you are. Now it looks as though you've figured it out, and used it to add on a couple more years. Do you think that will lend you some credibility? It's not helping, because you've obviously not thought through any post you've put up here.
Speaking of which, I seem to remember you arguing with me that world control and world peace would pretty much be the same thing. "For the greater good", remember.
Anyway, what is it with your knee-jerk hostility to anything going against grain of the status quo? Were you fucked up the asshole by some 911-truth types when you were younger? Leave some scars?

 

It depends how you define globalization.

Having access to products world-wide across the board can be an advantage for everyone. It's efficient because some parts of the world are better suited for producing certain things than others, assuming it's fair trade. Unfortunately the lack of oversight across boarders often leads to corruption and exploitation. Assuming corporations are going to play fair is naive, since greed is inherent in human nature.

My biggest problem with globalization is consolidation. As corporations become larger, and power becomes more centrally focused, consumers, workers, everyone except the executives who run the corporations loses freedom.

 

I never touched the age changer thing since the day I created my profile. The thing that changed my age from 27 to 28 was 365 days.

Would you care to elaborate on how I put zero thought into my recent posts?

I believe we had a similar argument a long time ago about 'the greater good', but I simply never said world peace and world control are the same thing. I think you're imagining things.

Oh, please teach me to be as cool as you! Want to talk about putting no thought into posts? The backbone of your argument against me is an age-changer that I didn't mess with, a post by me that doesn't exist, and anal sex.

 

Globalization is not good or bad, it simply is "globalization". The laws that follow, treaties, governments, businesses, and what not are what make it good/bad.

In an ideal world having one currency, tiny military, and one government would make the world a much much better place. Of course we'd have to reform every single idea about society and personal liberty for it to work.

 

Like people have said, it is important to distinguish between globalization and unification.

Yes, if there is a power elite put in place by corporations ruling the whole world as a government would rule a nation, it would be a very bad thing indeed.

But we have the means to end all of humanity's problems. There is no need for hunger, we have plenty of food. Poverty is only a concept that holds meaning in the world in which we live today, get rid of money altogether and poverty would go with it. As would greed.

All we need in this world is food and shelter. We can easily provide both for every single person alive.

But for some reason, despite our advanced brains and reasoning abilities, humanity has not yet seen that war, abuse, exploitation, terror, and all the other terrible things we do to each other, are bad.

Am I an idealist? Yes. Is my idealistic world achievable? Of course it is. We are a highly advanced species. We have the means, we have the resources, all we lack is the will. But that is coming. That's why the OP says globalization has to happen. We can make our planet the paradise that it is meant to be, and I believe we will do so.

 

I could go on and on and on. But it would only draw attention away from one important question: WHAT ABOUT THE INDIGENOUS?

 

Exactly.

The people that were there first always get fucked, because the system exists to strip them of their resources and give them to the highest bidder.

And just because some of us are on the receiving end doesn't make it right.

 

Thank you.
No one's actually elaborated on precisely what a "peaceful NWO" would entail, but it seems to me, and you can correct me if I'l wrong here, but it seems that what your talking about is world socialism. In other words, your seeking to homogenize unique, regional indigenous cultures into productive workers, turn dynamic ecosystems into cropland or cities, mountains and rivers into 'resourses' to feed this death machine. In other words, what your suggesting is tantamount to global genocide.

 

All people are indigenous to the earth, are they not?

This "us and them" mentality is why we fail to achieve world unity in the first place.

There is nothing in the way of maintaining local culture in a unified world. If anything, culture and tradition would probably only grow stronger.

It seems like you have a slightly negative perspective off the bat on this one. Global genocide? It is perfectly possible to manage our planet's resources in an environmental and effective manner while still feeding everyone. But cooperation and coexistence is paramount to such an endeavor. There is no room for "us vs them".

 

That is ridiculous. I'm talking about land based peoples, who have lived in harmony with the Earth for thousands of generations. How would a globalized system of production and distribution strengthen those traditions?
Us and them? The entire concept of "otherness" is one unique to civilized cultures. Not to say that indigenous or hunter-gatherer peoples can't distinguish between human/non-human, plant/animal, male/female, etc, just that the distinction is relatively unimportant.
It is the logic of civilization that teaches us that this "other" is to be feared and destroyed.
I'm not interested in playing semantics with anyone. Try and look at this in real terms. Magical thinking will get us nowhere, and it just looks silly in an internet forum.

 

Indigenous people would not be affected. What you're talking about is Imperialism. Globalization just means connecting nations. Maybe Mexico would adapt the dollar. And if the U.S. wanted and Mexico wanted we could merge, and help Mexico become a better country. In turn the U.S. would have countless more opportunities than we have now, along with Mexico. To say that globalization means encroaching on every ounce of land is false. It could, but it also couldn't. Just make sure it doesn't.

Nobody can destroy a culture. We can destroy the means from by which they derive their culture (their land, resources). Industrialization destroyed the culture of selling handwoven stuff. But it didn't destroy handweaving. There's a difference.

Jimmy P. is completely right. It's because we're still using caveman logic. If God came down to earth and said that we could easily recreate the Garden of Eden, we'd all say "Hell yah lets do it!". Why don't we have that? Because people don't have the REALIZATION that we could. We're still being exploited by corporations, following false governments, isolated, tempted by mass consumerism, etc. We have evolved little spiritually (we'd rather destroy our bodies with bad food than put good food which nourish body, spirit, and mind). Our minds are still directed towards the idea of 9-5 jobs, current monetary policies, etc. Our minds having realized the other reality.

Think of people who start food forests and have overabundance. They realized the Garden of Eden (harmony, man is king of nature) but they are its stewards instead of its conquerers. We just need to spread the idea, and with enough minds it will happen to the whole of earth. De-desertification could open up millions of new opportunities. But this isnt' realized because our worldview typically considers only how things are "now".