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salmon4me · Aug 24, 2008

Hip Forum Guidelines can be found HERE.

EllisDTripp said:

I have had to delete a shitload of posts lately asking about the reliability of various suppliers, with URLs to the suppliers posted with varying amounts of "editing" in an attempt to "disguise" them.

Don't Do This!

The reasons behind the no source posting policy has been spelled out in several threads , including the stickys at the top of the forum. Deleting a few letters from a URL is not sufficient to avoid the problems listed there.
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Here's a good rule of thumb:

If your thread has the word 'source' in it, you're probably breaking the forum guidelines.

1. Don't post sources.
2. Don't ask for sources.
3. Don't ask for source verification.
4. Don't ask for a source via pm.
5. Don't create threads about undrugged

Thanks All

salmon4me · Aug 24, 2008

Thanks to Ellis D. Tripp, for this:

Because of the recent controversy about not posting supplier links or names here, and several PMs looking for advice on how to find a reliable source for research chemicals, I decided to put this post together to address the problem of obtaining chemicals for research use, while maintaining a low profile, and not contributing to either the DEA's jihad OR the fast-buck artists who seek to cash in on the RC market.

The first step to purchasing what you want would be to enter its FULL CHEMICAL NAME into a search engine, and see what comes back. Then eliminate any suppliers with company names that include terms like "high" "buzz" or "trips" right off the bat. Other terms to avoid would be "legal", "shaman", "rave", or anything else that is too reminiscent of the drug culture. You are buying RESEARCH CHEMICALS, not drugs, after all.

Next, click on the link, and have a look at the site. If you see flashing skull .gifs, lots of "l33t sp33k", or any references to illegal drugs at all, you probably want to go elsewhere. The sites you want will look like a CHEMICAL CATALOG, not a promo site for a garage band! Misspellings or other typos all over the site (especially chemical names) should raise suspicions, as well.

Next, have a look at the supplier's product offerings. If their product list consists SOLELY of compounds with well-known recreational uses, go elsewhere. Sites like this are increasingly under surveillance, and exist only to cash in on the rising interest in these compounds. If they also offer traditional "headshop" products, or stuff like pocket scales, tiny baggies and empty gelcaps, run away!

What you want is a supplier of a broad range of chemicals, including various substituted tryptamines and phenethylamines. A company that offers custom organic synthesis or has a hotline to put you in touch with a staff chemist to help with your research or production questions is a good sign. Run a WHOIS check on the site, and be on the lookout for site ownership that traces to Virginia or the DC area (FedLand). Look at their payment options, with an eye towards things like accepting company checks or corporate purchase orders. Look for a VALID postal address (check it). While you will most likely be paying via credit card, the fact that they accept "traditional" payment methods adds legitimacy. Be wary of sites that insist on PayPal or Western Union, as this SCREAMS "scam site".

When placing an order, DO NOT make any reference to "dosage", "effects", PIHKAL/TIHKAL, or any other indication that you are planning on doing anything illegal with your purchase. Request a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for everything you order. A legit seller will know exactly what these are, and will gladly include them (as required by law). Including a couple of cheap, boring laboratory reagents in your order helps you look like something OTHER than a person looking to score drugs.

Legit chem dealers will NOT ship to a PO box, so you will need a valid address. And make sure the credit card you use is in YOUR NAME.

That's about all I can tell you about ordering chemicals. Common sense goes a LONG way here. If something feels "sketchy" about a supplier, it probably is! Finally, once you find a good supplier, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! Spreading the name around to people who might not be as careful or responsible as you are is a good way to ruin a good source for everybody. And plastering it all over drug-related BB sites will tip off the LEOs faster than anything. Sites like this one are being watched, people!

For more information on how to buy suspicious chemicals while "flying below radar", I recommend the book "Sources" by "Strike", and "The Construction and Operation of Clandestine Drug Laboratories" by "Jack B. Nimble", as well as the following pages:

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/buychem.igor.html

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/eleu...t.chembuy.html

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/popeye/popeye.zwit.txt

These sites primarily deal with purchases of precursor chemicals for manufacturing illegal drugs, but there is a lot of wisdom in there which applies to purchasing ANYTHING of a "grey area" nature.
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Ellis D. Tripp
ellisdtripp@hipplanet.com

salmon4me · Aug 24, 2008

Thanks to Geneity;

Geneity said:

I stole the name. ( but then it got changed =( )

Well, we all know there are a lot of 2C drugs. List?

2C-B (hard to find, but popular)
2C-B-FLY (around)
2C-E (common)
2C-C (around)
2C-D (around)
2C-F
2C-G
2C-G-3
2C-G-4
2C-G-N
2C-I (common)
2C-N
2C-O
2C-O-4
2C-P
2C-SE
2C-T
2C-T-2 (around)
2C-T-4
2C-T-7 (rare, but around)
2C-T-8
2C-T-9
2C-T-13
2C-T-15
2C-T-17
2C-T-21 (rare, but around)
2C-TFM

Now. I got that list from Wiki. Most of those you're probably never going to see, but the ones you WILL see commonly are 2C-E and 2C-I, and to a lesser extent 2C-T-2, 2C-C and 2C-D. If you're lucky, you'll find a source for 2C-B or 2C-T-7 as well. Much rarer ones have been reported by users 2C-P, 2C-T-21,

So for all those who've done multiple 2C's, how about comparing the subjective effects with other 2C's, or to other classic psychedelics such as mushrooms and LSD?

We need one of these threads. There are too many damn 2C's to pick from.
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salmon4me · Aug 25, 2008

If you info that you feel would add to the usefulness of this sticky, PM me the info, and I'll consider adding it.

salmon4me · Dec 25, 2008

Info on computer security:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=340613&f=126

PO Box info:

binary shadow said:

Get a Private Mail box instead of a PO box. PO box says PO box right on the address, Private Mail boxes are just the street address and then a # so you can't even really tell it is a rented box. That way vendors who usually wont ship to PO box will still ship. Private mail boxes are way better in a lot of ways too, they can get mail from the most carriers (PO box is only USPS I think) and they usually have way less security (cameras, scans of IDS are usually not taken) than a PO box.

I personally think 95 percent of vendors would ship to a PO box though.

Getting a PO box in a different name is easy enough depending on the connects you have. You need two forms of ID, one needs to be picture ID like a drivers license and the second needs to be something to support that, student ID card or whatever. If you can get those it wont be too hard but keep in mind that it is serious crime to get fake IDs and another serious crime to open a box with them. Weigh the risk of what you are getting with the risk in getting a PO box.

Getting personal amounts of some exotic research chemicals that are not specifically scheduled? You really probably don't need a PO box unless you don't trust your vendor and are trying to safe guard your personal info from them.

Getting a ton of a specifically scheduled schedule one substance? Letting it wait in a fake name PO box for a few weeks before pick up is your best bet unless you have balls of steel.

Also some tips:

1. If you are white, spray a bit of hairspray on your fake ID prior to getting the box. This only works for white or light skinned people unfortunately. If they happen to take photo copies of ID where you get your box (they do at some places and some they don't, some places it is required by law and they usually will there but other places it is up to them and then they usually don't) the hairspray covering the face of your card will bend the light given off by the photo copier, causing the white/light areas of the card to turn very dark. This will make it a very low quality scan and it will be difficult for them to identify you based off the scan due to the twisted and dark look it will have.

2. Let packages sit in po boxes for at least a week or so before picking them up. The more risky the order, the longer you should wait. Get a box that has 24/7 access. 24/7 constant surveillance gets expensive fast and after a week or so it stops being worth the money to bust you, and they will just seize your packages, flag your PO box (or shut it down), and leave.

3. Wear hats and gloves when picking up packages. Keep your head low. They might have a camera, but chances are at a mom and pop place it will be a shitty one and if you wear a hat and keep your head low it will be hard to identify you from it (of course finding a place with no cameras is best). The gloves are so you don't leave prints inside or on your box, which can be used to track you down and or identify you.

4. Try to find a PO box at a place run by people who are a race other than your own. It might sound racist, but I believe it is a proven fact that subtle differences in appearance between individuals of one race are harder to detect for members of other races. So they wont be able to give as good a description of you if the police ever question them.

5. Obviously never call the place from your own phone if you need them to check something for you, call from a pay phone.
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Thanks to Binary Shadow for putting this all together.

salmon4me · Dec 26, 2008

GPG for windows info:

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=342004&f=126

Thanks to Binary Shadow for putting this all together.

salmon4me · Dec 26, 2008

Learn research chemical long hand

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Thanks to Binary Shadow for putting this all together.

salmon4me · Dec 26, 2008

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Advice on anonymous payments and cashing out

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Setting up Tor in windows

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Thanks to Binary Shadow for putting this all together.

salmon4me · Dec 26, 2008

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Thanks to Binary Shadow for putting this all together.

salmon4me · Apr 2, 2009

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Again, thanks to Binary Shadow for putting this all together.

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