Support for Venezuela

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Xeper, Oct 2, 2007.

  1. Xeper

    Xeper Member

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    I think that we should be doing what we can to spread the word in support for others who are fighting for this cause right now. Please, everyone pass this along to those who you know. Especially those of you on multiple forums. Venezuela is currently going through the revolutionary process of moving from the poison of capitalism towards socialism. They have for years now as a matter of fact...HOWEVER, they are constantly under threat by the far right in their country and the capitalists from the US! I refer you to the following links to documentaries, and articles, as well as one of the main supporters of the actions in Venezuela.

    Article

    Documentary "No Volveran" English Subs


    Documentary " The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"

    Hands off Venezuela

    Good Info on the US involvement in the Coup attempt of 2002

    Part 1
    Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4
     
  2. the grobe

    the grobe Senior Member

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    i agree, venezuela needs to be protected from capitalism
     
  3. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    -2 weeks ago a famous spanish pop star was barred from performing in a state owned arena he was supposed to play at for insulting Chavez

    -The entire national assemly of Venzuela is made up of Chavez supporters

    From the news today:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7048229.stm

    To sum it up
    -6 hour working day(that would destroy the economy in rich countries, let alone middle income ones)
    -Putting more of the economy in state control and giving the president himself more control over the central banks
    - Increasing the term of a president from 6 to 7 years
    - Having no limits on how many times a president can run
    -Allowing the president sweeping powers during a state of emergency(again, go back in history, this is exactly what the enabling act in 1933 in Germany did for Hitler, and last year Venezuela actually passed a bill called the enabling act to give Chavez more power to legislate by decree)

    He revokes the public broadcast licenses of TV stations that speak against him

    A quote from one of his leading economist:
    "The state will regulate prices and profits in the private sector," Mr Ochoa said.
    Has history not shown to enough jackasses yet that this doesn't work?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6212430.stm
    "Private health care and private education will be first in line to be scrapped by the government as part of its drive towards socialism," said Mr Garrido.

    "The whole country will be geared towards the motto: one leader - one party - one ideology," he added.

    Awesome, get rid of private education, any thoughts that don't tow the party line, and their new motto, wow how Hitler and Stalinesque of them.

    Chavez is nothing but a dictator masked in populist clothes
     
  4. polecat

    polecat Weerd

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    yeah, he is taking the position of so many third world dictators before him: He will fight the colonial powers that put country in its current position of economic recession. Just look at Mugabe and Amin. They started out the same way. Blaming whitey is popular with people.
     
  5. truckdriver

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    Chavez is a dictator with ambition. He wants to be "El Presidente" of South America and nothing good is going to come from this man. He has taken steps to make it criminal to dissent against him and is attempting to rewrite school curriculums by denying funds to those schools who do not teach his version of history. The only difference between him and Castro is that Chavez has oil to finance his "vision".
     
  6. SQUIDPUPPY

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    I agree that Chavez is likely to go down that repressive road that so many 3rd world leaders have trod before him..... It alarms and saddens me that he has muffled the TV and Press.... One thing I do get a kick out of though; is how much fun he has sticking it to ole pres Bush..... (makes me think Hugo can't be all bad)!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    which venzuala? its indiginous population, or the elete pets of iternational corporate oil?

    =^^=
    .../\...
     
  8. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    **applauds themnax***
     
  9. dojodee

    dojodee Member

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    if America is against you that means your country is trying to work on peace and build a good nation which America hates bcos it will never happen in its own country
     
  10. Spaced06

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    I think Chavez is very right on some things, and very wrong on other things. For instance, it is true that the U.S. government and corporations love to steal from Latin America, and I say it because I have seen it first hand in my country. The problem is that he's too extreme, in an oposite direction. He, like every other leader I know of, fails to understand that the key to peace and well being lies in mutual understandment, and not agresion or oposition.
     
  11. NetworkwithNature

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    the revolution will not be televised is such a great docu

    fuck the cia for trying to overthrow a democratically elected official

    we wont try anything like that again since russia has allied with venezula

    viva la chavez!!!
     
  12. mai

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    oh dear
    if there's anything i hate is ignorant westerners supporting 3rd world dictators
    ignorant westerners supported stalin and lenin at the time , talking about all the wonderful changes they made in russia, when refugees started coming from there telling everyone about the horrors of communism the leftists ignored them, just like they are ignoring the fact that chavez is a dictator now.


    the fact that he hates bush doesn't make him a saint
    objecting to bush is not really a sign of intelligence, it's more like a prerequisite
     
  13. DharmaBum

    DharmaBum Old Guard

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    Let's begin to demolish your nonsense... shall we?

    Most of the national assembly is made up of Chavez supporters, would you like to know why?.... because they were elected to those positions, little thing called Democracy. If the opposition (Most of the crusty old guard who have already attempted to subvert the revolution with US help) decided to boycott the elections, that's their problem.

    The six hour working day is a fine idea. You may not agree, because you come from the US, where for some bizzare reason, people often work multiple jobs just to keep their heads above water, but it is possible to create a society where people don't work themselves to the bone to get by, and have more time to do more important things... like raising their families and actually living their lives. But your arguement that it would destroy the economy has no merit, infact... your country doesn't exactly have a good track record of late ;). When Venezuela, for decades, followed the US Neo-liberal agenda, the vast majority of people got poorer, whilst a tiny elite clique at the top, grew richer, they're sick and tired of that :)


    As for State control over the banks, this is also a fine idea. Much better than say... giving banks that brought the world to it's financial knees, free money with little to no strings attatched, sound familiar? The ultimate goal of the revolution is to empower people to take control of their own lives, communities, country. But this can't be done without first destroying the corporate grip on Venezuela's wealth. Smash em good i say.

    Increasing the term of president from 6-7 years... Not a big deal for me really, an extra year.


    No term limits?(As was the case in the US for the majority of its existence)... irrelevent aslong as the elections are free and fair, though i do think that people in power too long are ultimately corrupted by it.


    The sweeping powers during a state of Emergency are indeed a worry. But again the question of US interference comes into play. They've been caught red handed trying to oust him before, if my country was under pervasive attack by foreign US interests, i would probably think it sensible to protect my position aswell, considering how many times in the past the US has derailed popular movements and destroyed the hopes of millions in South America.

    And for clarification, the enabling act which granted Chavez "power by decree" had a limit of 12 months, which has already expired, and he could have been overruled by the assembly aswell should they have wanted to do so.


    As for the Media and the taking of public broadcast licences, i presume you are refering to RCTV?... the right-wing media station owned by one of the men involved in the Coup to overthrow the elected government of Venezuela... that RCTV?... that station actively participated in a Coup against the elected government of Venezeula, it's been proven beyond a doubt. Chavez actually pardoned all involved(Far kinder than i would have been). But their licence was revoked, and rightly so, they belong to the State, and the state should not issue broadcast licences to corporations that actively conspire against it, little thing called common sense. RCTV however, is still up and running on private cable and Satellite for anyone that still wants to watch the fox news style filth it constantly spews out.

    Also, another interesting fact. 75% of the Media in Venezuela is privately owned and fanaticly hostile to Chavez, as it's all owned by three men. So he's hardly in control of the countries media, such a charge is laughable.


    As for other policy decisions that the Venezuelan governenment takes (Healthcare, education). That's up to them as the elected government of the country, moan about it if you like, but really... considering the track record your government has, you really have no leg to stand on.


    And those last quotes from some "independent analyst" don't mean jack either, he says those things without backing them up and is most likely in the pockets of the old Elite ruling classes. Though that was clever on your part, to add them in at the end and make them seem like actual quotes from within the Venezuelan government, nice try ;)
     

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